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AussieShepherd117
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 | | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:57 am | |
| me and my Enclave Remnents wiped them out they were easy pickings with XO-1 power armor and plasma weapons _________________  - My Achievements:
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Gyrard
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:06 am | |
| - VeteranAlpha96 wrote:
- Gyrard wrote:
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- Borderline badass but as everyone knows they're a ideals is that of like of the Nazi.
How are their ideals like the Nazi party's? They fight to preserve technology, not out of some ideal of a "perfect" society and race. While they can and have harmed innocents to further their goals, they do at least attempt to do things peacefully unless the people/organization they're dealing with is in stark contrast to their own. Contrary to popular belief, the Brotherhood does not often shoot non-feral ghouls on sight and if they do, they intentionally miss rather than kill them.
If anything, you should give the Nazi label to the Institute with all the atrocities they perform in the name of science and don't regard outsiders to even be worthy of life.
Well the fact that they will kill anything that lives without it even attacking them kind of makes them like Nazis, example being, take Nick Valentine with you on the Prydwen and they will all swear at him and throw racist comments about how much they hate Synths, i mean like look at.........
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Paladin Danse, he was a Paladin a very high rank in the Bos, and Elder Maxson doesn't even give him a chance to tell his side of story, he just wants you to kill him, im pretty sure that the same thing would happen if you were a Sentinel and he found that you were a Synth.
You kinda just contradicted yourself there. Notice how they -don't- attack Nick, they specifically order you not to fire on civilians when in vertibirds, they don't attack Diamond City or other settlements, they don't attack the Slog or Goodneighbor, despite it being filled with Ghouls. The Brotherhood of Steel aren't racial supremacists that will kill anything that doesn't look like them. The only people they will shoot on sight are Institute synths and personnel, FERAL ghouls, raiders, gunners, and super mutants, all of which are certifiably dangerous and malevolent. Concerning Danse, you can persuade Maxson to spare him. You think you could persuade the Nazi party to spare some Jews? (the answer is no)
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Havoc
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:27 am | |
| one thing to add aswell is that they specificly say all super mutants and ferals must be killed/destroyed. They dont go after regular ghouls, they might not like them but they dont outright kill them _________________ If you have some questions regarding one of my screens fell free to send me a message   |
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VeteranAlpha
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:28 am | |
| @GyrardBut the fact that they are just instantly hostile to most people not the attacking them but disrespecting and being rude, kind of tells us that they are just a bit like Nazis.  _________________  - Steam:
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Gyrard
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:40 am | |
| - VeteranAlpha96 wrote:
- @Gyrard
But the fact that they are just instantly hostile to most people not the attacking them but disrespecting and being rude, kind of tells us that they are just a bit like Nazis. Do you think that anyone that acts like a jerk should be compared to the Nazi Party with all the suffering and atrocities they've caused? That's pretty insensitive, not to mention very offensive to some people. Also, as I said before, it isn't most people. Either you're simply breezing through the game without paying attention to anything or have formed weird conclusions, but the only people the BoS are directly hostile towards are feral ghouls, institute synths and personnel, raiders, gunners, and super mutants. All of those are either malevolent, violent, sociopathic, or some combination of the three, with a few exceptions.
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Fidller
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:55 am | |
| I just think F4's BoS went more back to its Western roots thanks to Maxson but still accepts wastelanders and doesn't hide from everyone and keeps in contact with the Wasteland (trading in diamond city and working with random farms) like he might have learned from Lyons. _________________  |
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Lillandoniril
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:59 am | |
| I think they have the ability to do a lot of good, which they do, but their prejudices against synths, super mutants and ghouls bother me _________________  |
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Rvelation216
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:43 pm | |
| Still, cant say walkin about that airship isnt badass :') |
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deathcast
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:28 am | |
| Airship is great. The people - STOOPID. They're point is to go full HEIL HITLER genicidal against synths. I don't like any faction in this game so yeah |
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SadisticWizard
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:37 am | |
| Miss the outcasts. brotherhoood even more snooty than before, and why does every faction have to to be good, just give me a raider faction. I do like the idea of the Maxson line being restored tho |
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Suddenly Psychotic
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:50 am | |
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I still don't understand the whole 'Hitler' and 'Nazi' theme here.I can't believe that people compare Nazistic idealism and idealism of BoS.
I don't deny that BoS has evil agenda against 'normal' friendly ghouls.And I hate that thing about them.
But exterminating feral ghouls,super mutants and synths that harm humanity in any possible way is Nazism?
Hey?Yeah?Institute is experimenting on humans!Nah no problem.They are replacing humans with synths dude.Chill out man.They even got plants that are resistant to radiation.Well they must have they own reasons for not sharing it for sake of humanity...
WAIT WHAT?Bos said something racist against an enemy or my companion!BOOO NAZISM!
Genocidal against synths?At some point synths are going to overpopulate judging by massive production that they've got.And at some point they will wonder why they need humans?That's the breaking point where humans will get destroyed.
Yes sure.You destroy Institute but you still got option to save people's lives by persuading Shaun and not commit genocide.
Synths are dangerous.They can turn rogue any second.They did soo many wrong things but yet BoS is considered as Nazistic Army from deepest depths of hell if they destroy it.
BoS is back to it's root where it belongs.They won't do harm to humans itself.But instead they want to clean up and secure people.Synths replacing and killing humans?Seems like about right decision to clean them up.Super mutants and feral ghouls kill humans daily and they need to perish too.
And forgive me if I'm wrong but there isn't any FEV in Commonwealth?It's high probability that Institute brought/made it.
I understand that it's sad thing to destroy 200 years of work of scientists.But only thing that they developed they kept to themselves.Can't really tell if killing people and replacing them is right thing to do?Doesn't even x6-68 have 'Nazistic' approach?That all the dwellers outside should be killed?
Keeping Railroad,Minutemen and BoS is best thing.
But keep in my mind that this is my opinion and how I feel about this whole situation.
Just don't be a dick and immediately go into down voting mode without discussing where I went wrong.
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deathcast
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:51 am | |
| - Suddenly Psychotic wrote:
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I still don't understand the whole 'Hitler' and 'Nazi' theme here.I can't believe that people compare Nazistic idealism and idealism of BoS.
I don't deny that BoS has evil agenda against 'normal' friendly ghouls.And I hate that thing about them.
But exterminating feral ghouls,super mutants and synths that harm humanity in any possible way is Nazism?
Hey?Yeah?Institute is experimenting on humans!Nah no problem.They are replacing humans with synths dude.Chill out man.They even got plants that are resistant to radiation.Well they must have they own reasons for not sharing it for sake of humanity...
WAIT WHAT?Bos said something racist against an enemy or my companion!BOOO NAZISM!
Genocidal against synths?At some point synths are going to overpopulate judging by massive production that they've got.And at some point they will wonder why they need humans?That's the breaking point where humans will get destroyed.
Yes sure.You destroy Institute but you still got option to save people's lives by persuading Shaun and not commit genocide.
Synths are dangerous.They can turn rogue any second.They did soo many wrong things but yet BoS is considered as Nazistic Army from deepest depths of hell if they destroy it.
BoS is back to it's root where it belongs.They won't do harm to humans itself.But instead they want to clean up and secure people.Synths replacing and killing humans?Seems like about right decision to clean them up.Super mutants and feral ghouls kill humans daily and they need to perish too.
And forgive me if I'm wrong but there isn't any FEV in Commonwealth?It's high probability that Institute brought/made it.
I understand that it's sad thing to destroy 200 years of work of scientists.But only thing that they developed they kept to themselves.Can't really tell if killing people and replacing them is right thing to do?Doesn't even x6-68 have 'Nazistic' approach?That all the dwellers outside should be killed?
Keeping Railroad,Minutemen and BoS is best thing.
But keep in my mind that this is my opinion and how I feel about this whole situation.
Just don't be a dick and immediately go into down voting mode without discussing where I went wrong.
Sorry for the long post.
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zirr0m
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:56 pm | |
| I really wanted to like the brotherhood but I had to draw the line with Proctor Teagan's quests to "procure" food from farmers and settlers. I really wanted to like them because I really love their style and aesthetic, but I just couldn't justify the racism and selfishness. It reminded me a bit of the Stormcloaks from Skyrim. I remember reading about some audio files that were found that hinted at a quest that overthrows Maxson that was cut. If that were in the game perhaps I could justify siding with them knowing that when I'm in charge I could steer the brotherhood back to the way they were when Lyon was in charge, but that's purely hypothetical. Here's hoping for a mod or DLC to fix that! |
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Obdulio
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:12 am | |
| Whats with all the Lyon's Brotherhood praise? Everywhere I've gone to Fallout fans absolutely HATE Lyon's Brotherhood.
Personally I never had a problem with them, I always took it as a splinter faction they were with different leadership someone is bound to do it differently some day.
As for what I feel about the FO4's BoS I was shocked that it returned hardcore back to its roots, I guess Maxson agreed more with tradition rather then Lyon's idealistic views. |
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zirr0m
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:09 pm | |
| He gets praise because he wasn't a jerk. He focused the brotherhoods resources into charity and helping people instead of bullying and a racist agenda. I didn't know there were people who didn't like Lyon's brotherhood and I don't understand why they would. Maybe they dislike the brotherhood straying from their normal militristic nature, but that feels like an odd reason. Maybe more people roll that kinda play through than I thought. I really don't know |
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cordelionreaver
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:17 pm | |
| The BOS in 4 are more in line with the BOS in the original Fallouts.
They were never about protecting people, they were about safeguarding technology. |
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:27 am | |
| beside FO3 ( the Elder Lyons squad ), they're basically tech freaks, it's all about retrieving the technology of the old world, not about protecting people |
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Rvelation216
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:20 am | |
| I dont really get how Maxson turned out as brutal as he is when he had Lyons for a mentor, you'd think with being around him for so long he'd have followed that path |
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geminispark262
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:58 am | |
| I love Lyon and the BoS under his commend, but I have to admit that under Maxson's order shows what they always have been since the foundation of BoS. |
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zirr0m
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| | Subject: Re: Opinions on fallout 4 brotherhood Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:17 am | |
| @"Rvelation216" according to the wiki (specifically Maxson's page) after Sarah Lyons death the east coast brotherhood had a leadership crisis and nearly collapsed until they re-established a link with the west coast brotherhood. The west coast brotherhood's elders then appointed Maxson as elder of the east coast at the age of 16. Their goal was to get the east coast back on track to its original objective, so they appointed Maxson, descendent of the original founder of the brotherhood. Considering that it makes sense why he would refocus the brotherhood back into hoarding tech. |
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