Personally, I’m not sure about this one - what I can say for certain though is I am 100% not pre-ordering any Bethesda ever again (learnt some hard lessons with FO76).

They do need to sort themselves out though. I remember watching a documentary way back when Oblivion came out and Bethesda made a point of showing off their Elder Scrolls Bible, that apparently spelled out all events that have been and that are to follow... but between their releases since then I have seen little evidence this is actually the case (Skyrim was pretty lore breaking and don't even mention ESO to me). It just seems like they don't really respect the IP's they acquire or create and that is a real shame. Fallout has it worse though and seems to be the Harry Potter of the BGS line up - thrown under the stairs and abused, drip fed the progress they make in their other titles, while being a testing ground for features that gets focused back into the TES series. Settlement building in FO4 for example, feels like it became the team's focus halfway through development and other areas of the game got left behind as a result, leading to the buggy mess that we got in the end.
Won't be surprised if we will be seeing settlement building and some flavour of multiplayer in entries going forward (wouldn't actually say no to co-op IF they did a good job of it).

I have lost a lot of faith in them since the glory days of Morrowind and honestly, for me anyway, the next generation of Bethesda games are going to have to be bloody masterpieces for me to part with my money.

...Rant over

PS. I absolutely agree with previous statements in this thread, we definitely need some more of the Enclave in the next game!

Is it even going to happen? I mean the whole franchise got pretty much murdered, and I doubt Bethesda at its current state will see that its their fault. I fully expect them to ditch it because people did not like 76, so in their eyes they must not like Fallout anymore.

I disagree. Bethesda has made it known from the get-go that 76 was a side project, and that it would be unlike the normal fallouts. I sense a full return to normalcy when it comes to fallout 5. Besides, Fallout 4 was a huge money maker. They won't turn away from that. The modding, and the player community, on both games are still thriving.

I dont think you can call it a side-project they were/are pretty comited to the cash grab.

GoofyGoo6er wrote:

I disagree. Bethesda has made it known from the get-go that 76 was a side project, and that it would be unlike the normal fallouts. I sense a full return to normalcy when it comes to fallout 5. Besides, Fallout 4 was a huge money maker. They won't turn away from that. The modding, and the player community, on both games are still thriving.

Also agreed.

Not sure where the sentiment of Falliut 76 being a "franchise-ender" comes from. Like you said, labeled from the get-go as a side project, by a new, smaller studio, NOT BGS (which develops the main series, AKA Fallout 3 & 4).

Sure, it was a disaster, but by the time Fallout 5 (or the next side-project) comes around, which at this point looks to be about 2026, most of the negative feelings will have faded.

Personally, I don't know if the feelings of resentment will have gone away, but I don't believe that Fallout 76 is the end of the Fallout franchise, not at all.

Fallout 4 itself was a big enough success for Bethesda to sustain themselves, so I think they are fine in that respect.

For me, I feel like I'm just going to have to wait and see whether or not I'm going to pre order Fallout 5 or not, but I do think I'll be buying it on the day of release, unless something changes (unlike war because War... War never changes )

I want to buy it of course but the lack of RPG elements in Bethesda's Fallouts have been shocking to say the least. I recently just went through playing all of the Fallouts and upon replaying FO3(which used to be my favorite of the modern Fallouts) I was shocked on how linear it is. I just hope that Bethesda takes the mediocre response to FO4 and everything said about F76 to heart to make a character driven Role Playing game instead of an action adventure fps wearing the skin of a Fallout game.

I'll wait and see. Mods will fix most of its problems so it's just a matter of patience. I won't go into it expecting it to be an obsidian game. It'll be a bethesda game, through and through, like they all are, other than maybe '76, which sounds like it was almost an outright scam rather than merely a disapointment (I haven't played that one.)

Kimwasi wrote:

I want to buy it of course but the lack of RPG elements in Bethesda's Fallouts have been shocking to say the least. I recently just went through playing all of the Fallouts and upon replaying FO3(which used to be my favorite of the modern Fallouts) I was shocked on how linear it is. I just hope that Bethesda takes the mediocre response to FO4 and everything said about F76 to heart to make a character driven Role Playing game instead of an action adventure fps wearing the skin of a Fallout game.

Fallout 3 is linear in the same way Fallout 1 and 2 are linear. Seeing as those were the games it was following, not New Vegas which was by all means the big black sheep that *iterated* on 3. Can't really fault 3 for doing what it was supposed to do based on prior entries in the series.
( I feel like I have to keep bringing up that NV was an iterative sequel so people realize that a 1 to 1 comparison between the two is idiotic. )

As for Fallout 4, you're right. But it's one game.

76, ironically has been bending over backwards to incorporate all the RPG element frameworks that 4 was missing. It's got a bunch of them now, even some new ones like negative skill checks.

Im definitely going too, cuz im a big fan of the franchise, going to buy it as soon as its out.

Probably gonna buy it if it even comes out. Of course there's this thought in my head that I want to see where the game will be set, how things look and are presented in game, weapons, etc etc. The only thing I ask for in Fallout 5 is to not have the brotherhood of steel and super mutants for a change. It's getting pretty tiring seeing those guys around, especially the Super Mutants. In Metro, it's fine that the factions are present in the two games because they all live in the metro so as you can see there's not much logic to introduce a new group. In Fallout, however the BOS and Super Mutants are always there. They're part of the universe, yes, but given how open the world and how the world continued to endure throughout the years it's surprising to not see other mutants and wacko groups.

If I'm still alive, sure, but we are talking at least a decade or so here. We are still seemingly several years off Starfield, and then a further three to five from TES, and THEN the entire development cycle of Fallout 5 if it's next after TES and they don't slot another new IP between.

Sirdanest wrote:

I'll wait and see.  Mods will fix most of its problems so it's just a matter of patience.  I won't go into it expecting it to be an obsidian game.  It'll be a bethesda game, through and through, like they all are, other than maybe '76, which sounds like it was almost an outright scam rather than merely a disapointment (I haven't played that one.)

See that's something that I haven't considered, the mods that will be in place for Fallout 5 could be reason enough to buy the game in the first place.

If Bethesda has an updated engine or new mechanics or whatever, it'd be great to see what the modding community would be able to do with that

I think at this point the majority of the fan base is crying out for a new engine and like it has already been mentioned a new engine and mod support would probably lead to most buying... me anyway

I'll buy it purely because I feel duty bound as it's a (non-multiplayer) Fallout game so I should really give it a try, not because I expect it to be good enough to pull me away from my loyalty to Fallout: New Vegas

I may not be alive still by the time it comes out LOL

DiseasedJupiter wrote:

Personally, I’m not sure about this one - what I can say for certain though is I am 100% not pre-ordering any Bethesda ever again (learnt some hard lessons with FO76).

Lol that's my main reason too.

Bethesda's gonna cater to more Action oriented fans rather than hardcore RPG fans so why even expect real Fallout in it.

Now maybe the modding community might make the next Fallout 5 interesting but holy shit, theres gonna be a lot of things to mod. I really can't enjoy FO4 vanilla quests at all due to how bad they are. So unless theres a mod that replaces all the quests... bleh.

Honestly no, not at first anyway. Bethesda has lost a lot of good will in recent years and I don't have any real desire to support their future messes.

I'll buy it at some point, when it goes really cheap, or if a really good selection of mods comes out for it.
(And note, bethesda. I said mods, not paid "mini-expansions". I'm not buying a single goddamn creation coin)

Well i gona buy it when its on sale for like 10 euro. Unles they bring some mayor improvments but i doubt that. F4 was not good or bad it was medi core but i still had and have fun with it. F76 on the other hand is a desaster and as long it is profitable, because a lot of people pay for FU1# and Atoms, we will not get a new Fallout game that is good. How ever i think its for the best we wait for starfield and TES6 and see if Bethesda has changed. How ever i still have the feeling that those 2 gona go nuklear.
Maybe then Bethesda goes bankrupt and will taken over by Microsoft? The outer worlds was great, well at least on can dream.

Probably not. Fallout 4 just about killed any hope I have for this franchise on the RPG front; I honestly believe that Bethesda will keep dumbing down their RPG systems until there is nothing left and every future Fallout title is FO76 2 or another FPS game that they'll call an RPG because it has the SPECIAL system.