Dunno, House hasn't won in the last 200 years, why should he win now?

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I think the NCR would win but with massive losses because they were suprised with the Legion Soldiers coming through the Dam. But at the time the Reinforcemend of the NCR would arrive they would have good chances of defending the Dam.

Battlefield is the place where psychos turn the wheel of fate. And the Legion is full of them.

lgarrott wrote:

NCR and proud! But seriously in the long run the NCR would win. Once Caesar dies the Legion dies with him

naaah, i doubt it. legate lanius would simply take his place...and that guy is VICIOUS lol.

You could also argue that it'll be a continuing stalemate, I mean after all, you improve NCR moral and support and give the Legion and the extra edge, and help Mr. House set his plan into motion, so really, The Courier is the tipping point to any faction, without them, the game ends up a stalemate for a hell of a lot longer

oldboy wrote:

lgarrott wrote:

NCR and proud! But seriously in the long run the NCR would win. Once Caesar dies the Legion dies with him

naaah, i doubt it. legate lanius would simply take his place...and that guy is VICIOUS lol.

the legion follow Caesar not his ideals so once he's gone the legion will slowly crumble from the inside because of basic human nature.

They do? I mean forgive me I've never done a Legion playthrough but I know the one Legion guy you interrogate says something about how people don't believe Caesar is a fit leader for them because of his tumor

It doesn't show it in game but its heavvily implied the legion crumbles. But also some think the legion will thrive and do even better under Lanius. Depends on how lanius handles his troops honestly. But i think the legion would win hoover dam with or without Caesar due to Lanius being a military genius

In my playthrough, no one really cares about Caesar's being the leader or not. I killed Caesar and all I heard from the Legions are they mourned for his death, but none I heard said anything about he will be remembered or something like that. So I guess no one really gave a damn about his death. Also during the battle of Hoover Dam, they don't seem that misguided or look crumbled to me, maybe the Legion only see Caesar as a guidance rather than a leader. Also it would seem that they are some within the Legion who are somewhat fed up with Caesar, like Silus (the NCR prisoner) and Dead Sea (the commanding officer? in Nelson).

In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.

Andrees92 wrote:

In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.

Lanius is hardly a commander, He's more of a butcher, Relentless forward assaults and suicide missions would probably become the norm within the Legion should Caesar, A far more cunning and tactful commander, be killed, The thing about such brute force tactics is that they can easily be subverted by a somewhat competent enemy commander, Replace General Oliver with Colonel Hsu at the Battle of Hoover Dam and the Legion would be running like cowards even without the Courier's legendary skills.

Sierran wrote:

Andrees92 wrote:

In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.

Lanius is hardly a commander, He's more of a butcher, Relentless forward assaults and suicide missions would probably become the norm within the Legion should Caesar, A far more cunning and tactful commander, be killed, The thing about such brute force tactics is that they can easily be subverted by a somewhat competent enemy commander, Replace General Oliver with Colonel Hsu at the Battle of Hoover Dam and the Legion would be running like cowards even without the Courier's legendary skills.

Well to be honest we don't really know Lanius that well, if not at all, only that he's brutal, and he's successfully conquered over 19 tribes (source = wiki). He's the Legion's military commander after all.

Personally, I think the Legion takes it. The NCR got lucky last time, if they hadn't lured them into Boulder City the Legion would have won.

I don't think the Legion would have lasted too much longer after that though, without the Courier Ceaser still has his tumour and everyone knows Lanius couldn't hold them together.

I would think that the legion would win because they have more people than the Ncr does but the legion would win but at a cost

I think its quite obvious that the Legion would easily win the battle with Lanius at the helm. Also, the strip infiltration and the attack on forlorn hope would go down without a hitch. The NCR has ALOT of problems in the game that can only be fixed by the Courier.. McCarren bombing, The fiends, forlorn hope, bitter springs supply problems, etc.

i feel they would just kill each other they are both power hungry then knowing how cheap the brotherhood of steel is they would come over at the end and clean it all up. lol but thats just me

I believe without the great intervention of the courier that the state of the Mojave would remain in a stalemate until eventually Benny killed Mr. House and got control of the Securitrons and FSU'd. (F$%$ed S#$% Up)

Andrees92 wrote:

In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.

he is a capable commander, and hes ruthless too...he exterminates the followers of the apocalypse, kills everyone inside the Strip, crucifies arcade gannon and a whole bunch of other ruthless stuff.

a quick quote from wiki proving that hes a capable commander

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Since this time, Lanius has led Caesar's Legion to victory over 19 tribes and has led the conquest of Colorado.

I think the ncr would eventually win... After a long drawn out battle