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 Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:21 pm

i watch ninja stream with logic and rick and morty on this game and let me tell you it was bad super bad it made me doubt about the game future
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:02 pm

I'm just going to repost this for everyone here to see:

>Fallout 76 has no client side file validation, and network traffic is unencrypted plain text, meaning there's no protection from someone simply making a "kill everyone and give myself 1 million caps" batch file and running it. Fixing this would be a non-trivial change and would require an entire re-write of the netcode.
https://archive.fo/e6QjY
http://archive.is/Vw74X

>Fallout 76's physics ticks are tied to the framerate, meaning if you lower your settings as far as they can go, you run and shoot at super sonic speed.
https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-speed-hack/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsDnFVweDU

>Fallout 76 will be limited to 24 players maximum, teams are limited to 4 players
https://web.archive.org/web/20180613183853/https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/06/fallout-76-supports-24-players-in-each-game/

>Fallout 76 Will have no NPCs
https://web.archive.org/web/20180615140820/https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/06/12/there-are-no-npcs-in-fallout-76-only-other-players-and-robots/

>Fallout 76's PVP is completely voluntary, like a 1v1 duel in a PVE WOW server. **There are no repercussions to losing the duel, you keep all your stuff and spawn a few feet away from where you died.**
http://archive.is/bshIo
https://web.archive.org/web/20180811213556/https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/08/11/fallout-76-pvp-detailed-aims-for-danger-without-griefing

>Despite the PVP requiring the other person to accept the fight before any of the initiators shots do any damage, winning too many initiated fights will lead to losing all your caps and receiving a 2 hour debuff on damage as punishment
https://web.archive.org/web/20181024222431/https://www.vg247.com/2018/10/08/fallout-76-murderer-debuff/?fbclid=IwAR3l0jrtU94U_R_NfQ_t3tiRLlMLTwhRJQyHnPVO6Y6lO4bVI_3ACjX_ro4

>Because PVP is a consensual act, the nukes aren't there for PVP purposes. They're there to change the map temporarily to spawn harder enemies and better loot.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180809024307/https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/06/21/you-cant-target-individual-players-with-fallout-76s-nukes/

>Even if you wanted to make a private server with mods, say, a PVP-centric classic fallout overhaul that takes place on the west coast, you can't.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180828181943/https://www.shacknews.com/article/106949/fallout-76-private-servers-will-have-to-go-through-bethesda

>The NIFtools dev refuses to release support for Fallout 76 nif files, meaning no mods outside of re-textures and ENB, not even model rips to other games like Fallout 4.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463610398835343380/510798674515853315/5LXoter.png

>Fallout 76 takes place 20 years after the great war on the east coast, but has Brotherhood of Steel, Enclave, Jet, Super Mutants, and Ghouls all over 1 hundred years before any of these things existed, on the completely opposite side of the US, which has an uncrossable radiation dustbowl spanning miles long along the midwest that not even the brotherhood could effectively cross.
http://archive.is/adDgZ
http://archive.is/v83tO

Bonus round:
>Literal radiation dragons that shoot radiation shouts. This was a meme, everyone joked about this and they actually did it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181024223443/https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-fight-dragons/


The absolute state of the post-Black Isle/Obsidian Fallout.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:42 pm

@cyber_funk Ugh, it sounds somehow even worse than I expected.
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:00 pm

@ritualclarity wrote:
I don't know what they wanted or expected to get out of this project. They don't seem committed to the project in that they are releasing the game with the problems it has for a MMO? Really? A single player game, Ok... maybe, those could be fixed but you either make it or break it for a MMO upon release as far as I understand it. Sad. So sad.

That's the wrong attitude. A single player should not have any bugs upon release, just becuase they are going to fix it later.
If that's the case the game should not be full price.

Just my opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:43 pm

I mean, idk I feel like my main interest in Fallout 76 is going to be once private servers and modding is properly implemented modders can set to work fixing all the glaring issues with 76 just like theyve had to do with all the Fallouts in different degrees haha. @cyber_funk As far as how easy it is to abuse the system theyve created im sure private servers with more dedicated Fallout players will stick to a trust system and have moderators to oversee obvious abuses like the framerate abuse possibility or the batch file example. It's obviously not ideal but I think it will still create an environment for alot of genuinely great modding moments to happen in a multiplayer setting which in of itself is truly unique.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:55 pm

Also I didn't say it here but as a veteran of the online gaming especially UO, I know how they did things in that game and when that was their guy for online play. Well I knew the hacks/crazy stuff was about to go down. Bethesda better be giving private servers to each purchaser of the game or the hacking and harassment that is about to go on will be unreal.

https://www.elsewhere.com/r/pcgaming/comments/9uh0i6/fallout_76_apparently_has_no_client_side_file/?fbclid=IwAR2cJKLRPz0vtukOo8EMGH2ks7oMwsblSEVA5ZhtkP956cLZC-ddSRVRVbk


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>Fallout 76's physics ticks are tied to the framerate, meaning if you lower your settings as far as they can go, you run and shoot at super sonic speed.
https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-speed-hack/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsDnFVweDU

That also increases the timer for you, good luck staying fed, and drinking enough water as time is sped up for that too, but yes I agree that is nuts, But that should only be happening if you lower the settings and unlock the FPS, the FPS have to be unlocked to speed up time and mechanics that is why the lock is in place.

a lot of stuff on that list, is not true you might want to watch the steam, you are in an area and cannot escape the two minute timer or not paying attention in that two minutes. The nuke will kill you. Here is the stream from the other night. If someone starts pvp with you, yeah there is no consensual anything. I got ganked the last hours of the beta.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/333428043

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:39 pm

None of this sounds appealing to me. Even the kind reviews, by those currently enjoying the game, still sound off putting to me. But i am enjoying all the reading of user experiences thoroughly lol. I feel like I've made a good call not buying in. MMOs have never been my thing anyway.

@"donta1979" I would like to hear a list of positives from you if you can, just because its very clear that the enchanting notion of this game has evidently been washed away. Can you say anything about 76 is good or great? at all? Or is it truely as disparaging as you've made it seem in your previous statements?
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:45 pm

Apparently the physical copy of the game doesnt come with the disc but a cardboard cut out of the disc?

https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/457841-fallout-76-cardboard-discs-pc
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:01 am

Ultimately, Fallout 76 annoys more than it intrigues me.

When I first heard of it I was surprised that it was a multiplayer game. Nothing against them I just don't like them, and fallout has always been a single player game in my heart. So a new fallout that's multiplayer doesn't really grab me.

It's mostly just little things about it that make it unappealing to me.

No single player. Not really a deal breaker, but I don't want someone following me around demanding PVP.

It feels like you NEED to play with friends/other people in order to get the full experience out of it.

Broken lore.

And a dozen or so other things.

One way to fix a lot of the problems is move the games timeline forward about thirty or so years. Would fix a lot of lore problems.

Ultimately I just don't care. It's not that I don't want to care, it's that it keeps doing things that make me not want to care about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:34 pm

i might try this game in some months, maybe a year when it has had time to grow. Right now there is nothing about it that interests me
which is quite sad actually

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:13 pm

Fallout 76 never interested me, but i defended Bethesda after the initial E3 backlash and i know have to admit i was wrong. The Bethesda we used to know is officially dead. Todd Howard stated previously that they ALWAYS make a multiplayer mode for each fallout and would only release one when it was good. Fallout 76 has proven that to be total bollocks. Fallout 76 is a half-baked, rushed, cobbled together mess and its the type of insulting garbage i would expect from EA. I know some people are enjoying it and that's great, but there is no excuse for the state its been released in.
I respect that we are in that weird space where all major studios have moved to developing for the next console cycle and fallout 5 and ES6 are years away, but that's no excuse for releasing half-baked shit like this.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:31 pm

Check this out guys, such a shit show lmao, Todd really deserves to be called a liar.



I get that there's people that genuinly enjoy this game, and there is nothing wrong about it, but no one has the right or at least no one should be that much of a brain dead human being to defend this joke of a game.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:29 am

@Obdulio wrote:
Apparently the physical copy of the game doesnt come with the disc but a cardboard cut out of the disc?

https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/457841-fallout-76-cardboard-discs-pc

It does. But thats the standard for every new physical release apperently since Black Ops 4 also has the same round carboard disc instead of a normal disc.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:55 am

It baffles me that people who hate Bethesda's Fallout games would even care to ramble about this terrible game. It's not like with the people who genuinely liked Fallout 4 and 3 that they could say that it is a block on the way to the next game, since Bethesda haters hate the Bethesda style of Fallout game anyway.

I utterly despise Fallout 76. In my honest opinion it's no more than a greedy cash grab from Bethesda to squeeze what they can out of the mainstream Fallout fans who don't care too much for the roleplaying or single-player aspects. It's obviously spearheaded by the corporate suits and yes men. There is no SOUL to it, no creative direction, nothing that innovates like their past games have.

With that being said, it is fine to criticise a work of art (I hurt inside to give Fallout 76 that label though) but when you were clearly not expecting something satisfying from Bethesda in the first place why even complain like you actually cared? It is your fault for playing the game with the knowledge that you already hate it for what it is. It's like listening to a Nickelback album when you already know you're going to hate it. Sure Nickelback is f*cking terrible, but that doesn't mean you were logical in making the decision to listen to them and go off on rants about how terrible their album is. If you listened to their past albums and hated them, why even consider listening to another?

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:59 pm

ElMaldito wrote:
Check this out guys, such a shit show lmao, Todd really deserves to be called a liar.



I get that there's people that genuinly enjoy this game, and there is nothing wrong about it, but no one has the right or at least no one should be that much of a brain dead human being to defend this joke of a game.

not since Sean Murray has a studio head been caught talking so much utter bullshit.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:56 pm

I want to wait til these bugs are patched out before buying, though, these bugs shouldn't have been as present in a beta. Sort of seems lazy/rushed.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:37 am

Bugs should have been present in the beta the problem is the beta was only like a week before release, the beta should have been released months before to give Bethesda a proper opportunity to patch them out before release. Instead the Beta was more like a week early preview with the full release having almost all the bugs included, it's a terrible release that's priced 60$ WITH Mircotransactions.
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:06 am

@Obdulio Let alone the fact that beyond the "beta" bullshit it was a marketing move, a way to promote the preorders(besides the cringeworthy, weird advertisement overall for this title) 'cause you know, if it really was a beta, not only it should have been months prior to release but it should have been a public one, not restricted to preorders. Shit was filled with bugs anyway lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:10 am

It seems like the game flopped in UK, now we just gotta wait and see how it does here in the states...





As a bonus here another critical look at Fallout 76.






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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 76 SMH never thought I would see the day   Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:03 pm

Honestly i would love to know what happened behind the scenes. I wouldn't be surprised if a Destiny 1 was pulled, leaks of work environment and time crunches, cut content etc. Who's at fault here for 76, shareholders? Bethesda? Creative differences, what is going on back there.

Gone are the days of quality games from Bethesda. Well imo that was gone long ago but eh.

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