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 Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?

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Do you think past Fallout games are better than 4?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:44 pm

Like most Bethesda games, I just can't judge or play it in its vanilla state. That's a problem, but a fixable one. I judge them in their modded states. So I'll have to digress into a tl;dr mod list to describe what I like about my fallout 4 setup.

Play it with Horizon and, like most Bethesda games, don't worry so much about rushing to finish the main plot, even though it's hard to imagine ignoring it, realistically. Synths and Coursers are terrifying when they attack by surprise, and raiders are sometimes even risky, at least without power armor (which is rare and very precious.) You can run into a super-mutant at level one. RUNNING AWAY is important and viable strategy, except with deathlaws. Starvation is a real possibility. Melee weapons become precious because ammo is rare. I'm usually sick with parasites or something and irradiated.

Horizon doesn't make NPCs more interesting, though, unless somehow fighting them in a hair-raising battle makes them more interesting. If you liked New Vegas Willow even a little, you'll like the somewhat more aggressive and abrasive (to mutants) Heather Casdin, done by the same person.

Better Settlers, Diverse Children, Orphans of the Commonwealth, Sim settlements and interesting npcs adds some interesting life to the settlements as well. Some of the settlers are genuinely funny, commenting very uniquely when you pass by in town. I've got a girl child who is giving me lip like she's some kind of guard. I'm going to send her to school with the school desk mod.
"Rename anything" lets you rename anyone named "Settler" to anything you want, grand and dignified names like "Poop Head" and "Trader Joe." It doesn't seem to cause any glitches like "Don't call me settlers" supposedly does (I never used that one, just heard stories.)

"No Preston Radiant Quests" makes Preston shut the hell up (YES!) after the initial introduction rescue settlement period. Better settlement defenses lets strong settlements take care of themselves when attacked. "Get off my buildzone" makes attackers spawn only outside of the settlements, so walls are viable.

Check out the top-rated quests and new lands. Some interesting stuff there, though they won't necessarily be balanced with Horizon, but still usually playable.

So, judging Fallout 4 in its modded state, like Skyrim, it's playable. If you like settlements, it's a good game. Different, but good. I always wanted a edgier, harder, more violent version of the all-too-friendly Sims, so I'm good. I still want another Obsidian Fallout game but for now I'm occupied.

I also use Resurrection, which is controversial in that a lot of its textures, especially up close, are ... not good? But it adds dense forest with huge trees, and vastly changes the look of the commonwealth. Wood looks rotted and old... cars are almost all rusted hulks. Stuff looks like it's been abandoned for a long time and overtaken by some ancient weird forest. (Glowing harvestable plants mod also used.) Check out the videos and decide for yourself on that one. It's both awesome and, sadly, unfinished and unpolished.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:43 pm

@IIHawkerII wrote:
@mindstormer You, my good man are the perfect standard for comparisons between the two games. Congratulations!

@IIHawkerII Thanks for the compliment my friend, it is appriciated Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:26 pm

Bethesda has been trying to appeal to a wider audience. Which in turn results in a "dumbing down" of the games content and ideas. Fallout 4 is a good example of this. Sacrificing RPG mechanics, story elements and over game depth for a more hallow action shooter set in the fallout universe. Also was the settlement system. Basically it seemed like the fallout shelter app but in the game. And it was clear that a lot of development resources went into its creation. Personally it gets old very quick making villages for people.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:10 pm

Fallout 4 had its moments, i think obviously as a roleplaying game it lacks. However i sometimes get the feeling they may have inadvertently made a Witcher/Mass Effect/ Dragon age type linear story. Which the game works well when you think about it in that way. I guess those games do have more depth in story then FO4 mostly, however the game is still enjoyable. I mean people still make mods and ports so it can't be that bad. I think it being better is subjective, very subjective. As pointed out they made it a point to streamline the game. Which is okay for the casual player or even softcore fallout fan because the game is fun to play without being hindered by so many choices. Which i get is mostly the point of fallout are the choices. Which is where NV and FO1 & 2 come in. They have great writing and choices. The former being designed for Hardcore base fallout fans and the latter being what hooked those people to the franchise.

I think somwhere i lost my point but i think y'all get it. Got lazy.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:22 pm

The style of games is different, but that's to be expected. Fallout 4 is NOT a 2D turn based game, after all. Thus comparing it to Fallout 1 and 2 is profoundly stupid. One must instead compare it to the 3D real time games of Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

Fallout 4 is definitely in the open world free form camp of Fallout 3. Which is no surprise, as it's from the same developers and writers. It's also very similar to New Vegas, but steers away from the rather gritty Mojave aesthetics, both in feel and mechanics. There are way too many factors in the game to discuss all of them, so I'll pick just a few at random.

Explorability and openness. Nothing else comes close. In any franchise, let alone the Fallout franchise. No invisible walls in the middle of nowhere, just the edge of the map. And exploration is for the most part rewarded. There are hidden gems of story vignettes that can only be found by poking about. One can easily spend a thousand hours in this game and never once approach the main storyline quest.

Quests. There are many very good side quests, and the main storyline quests aren't too bad either. Unfortunately, there is a plethora of "radiant quests". It's a good idea, but there's just too much of it here. They work best for the Minutemen, as gathering new settlements is core to the Minutemen strategy, but that was marred by Preston's over-eagerness to hand them out. And they just feel like busy work when done in the context of the other other factions. But many side quests are just fantastic.

Followers. They greatly improved the follower idea. They blow away anything FO3 and NV have. They all have likes and dislikes that affect how they view the player character, and they will actually take off and abandon the character if enough dislikes accumulate. I'm hoping the next BGS game will extend this idea even further and apply it to faction affinity.

Dialogs. Here's where the warfare starts. Most criticisms are gross mischaracterizations of what it actually is. It's resembles Mass Effect's circular dialogs, but without the paragon stuff. Four possible choices per dialog point, but each choice can lead to new dialog points. New in this game is the presence of three way conversations (!) and the ability to simply walk away from a conversation. The big drawback is that the options don't exactly match what the character will say. There are a couple of mods that fix this though, and to my mind it's not that big of a deal. But it does drive some people to uncontrollable fits of rage.

Leveling. There is no level cap, and the leveling does not slow down much, so that it's fairly easy and quick to get a massively OP character. To my mind it's just a bit much. All Bethesda games suffer from this to some extent, but Fallout 4 takes it to new heights.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:37 am

Fallout 4 is better than two thirds of the series. People tend to forget that there's more than five games, and that a lot of them have been extremely bad cash grabs. I'm not defending it, but saying that it's worse than ALL of the previous Fallouts is just factually incorrect.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:40 pm

I really like Fallout 4 a lot. I've played them all, at release, but 4 I like. I know the story is kinda poo poo, as is the dialogue. But for me, it is the one I keep picking up again and again.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:24 am

@GoofyGoo6er wrote:
I really like Fallout 4 a lot. I've played them all, at release, but 4 I like. I know the story is kinda poo poo, as is the dialogue. But for me, it is the one I keep picking up again and again.

I will say that Fallout 4 at least has a decently enjoyable gameplay loop with fairly satisfying combat so I could understand why some people manage to get a lot more out of the game than I did.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:04 am

I enjoy the stability of 4 over it's predecessors BUT...I'm more likely to boot up NV and start a new game, because I know that subtle changes in how I play the game will make a huge impact. All I can really do is pretend to be a certain way in 4, but it still has little effect on the outcome of the game.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:18 pm

@"donta1979" I agree with you almost 100 percent, also I am aware im late to this thread but the one thing I disagree with is fallout 3. Fallout 3 yes is better than 4 however I dont think it is that good of a game, it just lacks something I cant quite figure out what it is yet though.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:25 pm

Indeed they are ,if you are looking form a Lore and ...gameplay experience and immersion .But from the technical perspective...well they are the same .Fallout 4 is ...empty .Its like it does not have a soul .Thing i was expecting too much .For example they did not expand the quest of the Krivbeknih .Marcella said that she was from the Commonwealth .Unfortunatelly they just print out games for the money and expect modders to fix them .
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PostSubject: Re: Do you feel past Fallouts are better than 4?   Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:56 pm

Fallout 4 does a lot of things that are superior to previous games, combat being the main one. But in terms of world building, storytelling, and other RPG aspects it falls short.

To sum up Fallout 4, I would say it's as wide as an ocean but as deep as a puddle.

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