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Modders are like Batman. The people don't deserve him but he helps them anyway. I appreciate everything ever modder has done to make my game special and unique. Many people are extremely entitled and for some reason think modders are their slaves. Read some comment sections on nexus. Its disgusting how entitled a lot of these people are.

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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 10, 2018 10:31 pm

@CrackBabyJoe That's exactly why I went G.U.N exclusive. Also most of the stuff I do now would get pulled in a day lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 10, 2018 11:06 pm

God, I'd love to comment in-depth on this, but I know I'd rustle more than a few jimmies.

Muh Entitlement!

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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 11, 2018 12:36 am

@TheHermit Rustle those jimmies, sir!

Anyways, here's what I think about this whole thing. The reason why a lot of gamers feel this entitlement to Bethesda game mods is usually that of three reasons:

1. They probably have never tried making a mod themselves, thus not understanding how complex(unnecessarily complex in some cases) the GECK/Creation Kit is.

2. In this case for private GUN mods, they're used to mods being given to them without any type of effort being required--so they become flabbergasted about it.

3. They don't understand that the modding is a hobby for many people. For some, it could be a profession that they put a ton of hours into--but for the most part, it is just a fun hobby to burn some time into.

Now, about the whole private mod thing. When I first moved into the GUNetwork(This was around the time it was still called VGUnetwork!), I came for the mods. I had already learned about the whole getting access process beforehand, so I knew what I was getting myself into. However, as I interacted with others and started seeing sides of popular mod authors that I've never seen before, I began to really appreciate the quality of modding and the communities that came with that profession. This site felt very homely
and welcoming -- and still does to this day.

If I remember correctly, the time it took for me to get access to the private section was probably one or two months--which isn't a lot of time when you think about it. Here's the thing with getting access, though: Once you get access to the private section, it means that the longstanding members of GUN see you as an all-around decent person. The fact that you took the time to interact with the community really tells a lot about you.

I have spoken to many modders who have released popular works who were on the brink of retiring from modding publicly and deciding to just mod for themselves. I know some modders who have actually done that, and it's really sad. Modders do not have to release their work if they don't want to, but they do because they love to see the enjoyment of others playing their mods. That is why this whole mod leaking shit feels like a stab in the aorta to pretty much all modders. The mod author put all their time and effort to develop and release that mod(publicly or privately) just for some people to mess with it in such a disrespectful manner.

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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 11, 2018 9:53 am

I think a lot of people are a bit entitled when it comes to work that isn't their own. I remember this whole debacle on Xbox One over mods being ported to Fallout 4 from Nexus, and many modders would refuse to port due to their content being stolen and uploaded without permission. Some people can't grasp with the fact that someone who created something extraordinary actually cares about how their creation is distributed.

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I've seen people get surprisingly angry and demanding of modders, as if indeed they paid money for the mod. But think I think about just how angry the gamer community can get when money is actually involved (*Cough* Mass Effect). For some, that rage doesn't fade years later. We're often an angry,angry hobbyist community. Sad
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The very reason I respect any decision made by a modder regarding their mods. They put work into something I clearly didn't, so why should I demand anything from them? Something some kids should understand is that a mod is private until the author makes it public, in the end, people just want more and are willing to rebel when they don't get it.

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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyThu Apr 12, 2018 11:30 pm

A lot of people are entitled on the internet, makes no difference whether its in a modding community or anywhere else. I think many people in the community dont see modders as real people with lives, and the worst people see modders as villians even. Whenever a mod is ported without permission from the original creator to Beth.net by a mod thief, the justification usually given is that “the author is a PC elitist”. The mod thief usually fails to see that, despite the view of the creator, elitist or not, that it really doesnt matter since the authors own THEIR creation, therefore they decide where it is distributed, etc. There’s no use trying to be the champion of the downtrodden when the content is legally not even your own.

In short, you want PC mods, find a PC. Console gamers should be happy with the table scraps they get as long as they refuse to make the switch. In fact, they should be happy they even can use mods. The concept was and still is pretty uncommon for games to allow mods for consoles.
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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyMon Apr 16, 2018 2:09 am

true, it's the internet itself. this doesn't only apply to modding community, but in any online communities as well. they may express loud and full of themselves with a 24/7 internet connection and a keyboard, but when being met in person they couldn't talk and look into your eyes properly.
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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyMon Apr 16, 2018 5:41 am

Perhaps we could expand this conversation to be about 'the internet' in general. People say things behind a screen which they would NEVER say in person. Or they tweet insane things.

And so we have a person (an author) who wanted to share something and then people castigate him(or her) because the mod could have this scope or that texture or whatever.

Or worse, people go after each other based on aesthetic. Like Xilandro's older fnv vids. He was demonstrating the AMAZING mod which quantified bullet speed and drop in the game(holy shit) and video commentators would comment on his (female) character's aesthetics. And then the poor guy stopped posting and took down the video.

So I would go further, not only are people self entitled but they behave terribly when it comes to games and online interactions with others.

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@CptnBrryCrnch Couldn’t of said it better myself.

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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyTue May 15, 2018 7:04 am

Absolutely people like myself (maybe not necessarily me but partially me) are totally unappreciative of all the hard work modding heroes do. I've never been able to invest in the community here the way i dream i could, i'm too lazy. The same reason i'm not successful or at least never completed any of my own mod ideas or ya know at least finish a script. Let's not make this about me though. Modding is hard work, so if i've never said it before i APPRECIATE all the great work modders and their helpers do getting shit to work right.

I get why people are entitled though. It's all just game magic to us lowly commoners. Don't even ask me how i use to think modelling worked it'll give you a hoot!

Anyways i like this websites way even if it doesn't give me instant gratification. Though sometimes i wish i still could get it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptySat May 19, 2018 4:23 pm

In my personal opinion, it's not that they are self entitled, it's just because they're really impatient. Maybe some of those people who complain about how this site work are just some newbies that just got into modding games. And since, I bet 9 out of 10 people got their first few mods from the Nexus, where there's no"bullshit" as they said, are annoyed that they have to contributed in this site to get mods access.
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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyMon May 21, 2018 5:28 am

unfortunately the problem of "self entitlement" is a widespread problem in the gaming community.
when you look at the work that's put into making a mod, I don't see a problem with being asked to contribute "something" to get mods. Sure you con donate over at nexusmods but the "vast" majority of gamers would never even dream of giving something back in that way.


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PostSubject: Re: Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods?   Are People "Self Entitled" to Mods? - Page 2 EmptyThu May 24, 2018 10:26 pm

i think that it's better to work for something you want, instead of sitting there whining actually go and contribute to the community, a lot of people nowadays expect everything to be handed to them instead of working to get what they want they say they don't have time but contributing doesn't take that much time depends on how you do it but other than that i wouldn't say their self entitled they just don't understand the site.
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