So we all have heard people say that Bethesda needs to ditch the Creation Engine and move on to a new engine. But I've also heard people say that the engine itself is not the problem,but that Bethesda doesn't know how to properly code their games,and moving on to a new engine would just result in the same problems. So I just want to know what people who are more experienced with the technical aspect of gaming has to say about the whole debacle.

I wish I had the personal expertise to address this myself....I don't. I do have a friend who is a game developer for an indie production being worked on by a small team. He has been a Bethesda admirer and critic for a very long time. He does not blame the Creation Engine.

He firmly believes it's not the engine that's the issue, but the shortcuts being taken in that coding and development that would lead to the same problem on a new engine. Pushing product out for a deadline is not conducive to great game design or originality. The other part of that is who is leading the development team. He does not have much good to say about that current lead at he moment.

i blame bethesda not the engine.

I believe both the Engine and Lolthesda are to blame for some clusterfucks they've made in the latest games, anyone over here with some experience on modding for NV, 3 or 4 should see this, at this point the engine has more drawbacks and limitations than good things that could add up, improve or innovate modern games, on the other hand, Bethesda's incompetence doesn't help either, i mean, for example, all these years re-releasing Skyrim over and over but they can't even fix the myriad of bugs on the base game? how much? like 8 years since release date, console versions are fucked, specially the most recent switch one since they don't deal with mods. Oh and keep in mind that Skyrim 'special edition' is nothing but the base game with a couple of mods slapped on top of it. (stuff that you can easily get for free on the goddam nexus)

I also blame Bethesda. The Engine does not matter, they can't make a good RPG anymore to save their life. They've become garbage.

Seems like everyone is blaming bethesda for screwing up their own engine. I can honestly say that it make perfect sense. Bethesda has gone downhill so hard I wouldn't be surprised if instead of releasing Elder Scrolls 6 they just re-release Skyrim for blenders and toasters.

Lots of people blaming Bethesda, and to an extent I suppose so, but I still think the Engine is severely outdated. A new engine would be expensive, but also beneficial in the long run. Bethesda's reputation is at an all time low and the outdated engine only makes it worse as time goes on. It's time for a new one as it would benefit both Bethesda and us gamers.

"Tools don't make an artist". I firmly believe in this phrase. It's not the engine's fault, but it's how Bethesda utilizes it as a whole. Here's a video explaining why:

Spoiler:

DonEsteban wrote:

I also blame Bethesda. The Engine does not matter, they can't make a good RPG anymore to save their life. They've become garbage.

import fallout.purist;

favoriteFallout.games = (firstFallout.game, secondFallout.game, newvegasFallout.game)   {

if {topic.exe == 'Fallout' + 'Discussion'}:
10 print ("Bethesda cannot make good RPG");
20 print ("Bethesda are garbage");
30 print ("Bethesda ruined Fallout")";
40 print ("Fallout is dead");
40 goto 10
else open 'Obsidian.txt';

fourthFallout.game = 'Mediocre FPS'
thirdFallout.game = 'Bad story'
newvegasFallout.game = 'Well-written masterpiece'
Chris.Avellone = admin

if (topic.exe == 'Fallout 3'):
print (thirdFallout.game)

if (topic.exe == 'Fallout 4'):
print (fourthFallout.game)

if (topic.exe == 'Fallout: New Vegas'):
print (newvegasFallout.game)

end

I think both the Engine and Bethesda are at fault here.
The engine is very outdated, even with these 'updates' that Bethesda has been adding with every new game, it seems to be pretty much the same. With that being said however, I've been told that the engine is easy for modders to use and due to its longevity most of the Bethesda fan base and modding community is very familiar with it. Thing is, Bethesda's been using this same engine for over 7 years and the fact that we don't have a new one yet (and Bethesda will continue to use it until the release of ESVI) is just an utter disgrace and at this stage it isn't even that Bethesda's caring for the modding community, its just that they're too lazy to create a new engine.
As well as this. I agree with some of the stuff other people have been saying here - Bethesda's been making shortcuts and its not just the engine to blame.
Overall, it's both the engine and Bethesda that are to blame, however, I am leaning more to the fact that Bethesda's just being lazy.