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PostSubject: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:33 pm

How do you think if the enclave won in the second part of the game Fallout 2 then what would the future be.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:38 am

The USA would be strong again, and there would be no inferior mutants around anymore.

I really do see the Enclave as the best option for long term stability and progress.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:12 am

The Enclave would make things more stable, as Redmaus stated, plus the threat of feral ghouls and Super Mutants would be nearly nonexistent. I've always loved the Enclave as a faction and I wish they were present in FO4, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of them.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:15 am

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The Enclave would make things more stable, as Redmaus stated, plus the threat of feral ghouls and Super Mutants would be nearly nonexistent. I've always loved the Enclave as a faction and I wish they were present in FO4, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of them.

Maybe someday we'll see them in Chicago, judging by the there are the last remnants of the enclave.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:29 pm

I could see the Enclave and the NCR joining forces to restore order to the United States. The NCR with the help of the Enclave would restore order West of the Rockies and the Enclave would push further East to reclaim DC from the SMs.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:25 pm

The outcome of an Enclave Victory on the West Coast would lead to what the NCR is trying to achieve but much much better. The Enclave is much more advanced than any other faction and brings a lot more to the table then the corrupt NCR or the quasi-religious Brotherhood.

Something to take into account is that Super Mutants and Ghouls are considered abominations to the Enclave and something that would need to be destroyed. At best the Enclave used Mutants and Ghouls as conscripted workers caring none for their safety.

I haven't played the older Fallouts but it would seem pretty obvious that with Enclave Victory mutants and ghouls would be wiped out in order for the Enclave's vision of humanity to progress. A major trade that should be taken into account. Though in either case, mutants will eventually die out since they cannot procreate.

Though, really I believe with an Enclave victory pre-war civilization will return to the Wastelands. Also in every way, the Enclave is more technologically and tactically superior to any known faction in the Wasteland making the Enclave really seem like the best choice for a stable future.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:19 am

@"MrEggs0925" You forgot about the institute, they also have technology but do not have a mission, and the enclave had missions under the Ridchardson pridewise, to release a virus so that all the mutants died.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:12 pm

@Enclave11 The Institute is an extremely secretive faction on the East Coast. The goal of the Institute is to outlive the human population on the surface which they believe will eventually die off. Once the population dies off the Institute will start to rebuild the world using their research and synths. This is why the Institute was in the process of completing their Nuclear Reactor during the events of Fallout 4.

Mutants may have just been used to speed up the cycle so more irradiated humans would die. Let us not forget most if not all mutants are unable to procreate and therefore will eventually die off if they could not get their hands on FEV to infect more humans.

In terms of technology, the Institute is on a much smaller scale. Though yes, I did forget to mention them. But still, the Enclave is much stronger than the Institute. IF BOS boy scouts could do the job I'm sure the Enclave would be able to do it much better.

Moving on to to the modified FEV Serum. A similar thing was attempted by a ZAX AI calling itself John Henery Eden in where he tried to use the LW to contaminate the purified water with the FEV sample. Though according to cannon the LW never took this option.

Something you should know though is that not just mutants as in Super Mutants would have died. Any human who was irradiated, meaning anyone who was exposed to radiation would have been killed also. Along with Ghouls and of course Super Mutants.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:13 pm

@Enclave11 wrote:
@BlackTemplar wrote:
The Enclave would make things more stable, as Redmaus stated, plus the threat of feral ghouls and Super Mutants would be nearly nonexistent. I've always loved the Enclave as a faction and I wish they were present in FO4, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of them.

Maybe someday we'll see them in Chicago, judging by the there are the last remnants of the enclave.

Actually there's no evidence they still exist. There's no log from the Enclave stationed there and Whitley really seems to have no idea if they were still operational. Chances are they've gone rogue from the rest of the Enclave. Even if they exist, I doubt they are a real fighting force. I would like a little side quest in a future Fallout with a small group of Enclave holdouts raiding villages, and the player has to go deal with it. When you find them, they start telling you how they're still fighting the true war.

But I think the Enclave are finished as an actual faction.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:17 pm

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@Enclave11 wrote:
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The Enclave would make things more stable, as Redmaus stated, plus the threat of feral ghouls and Super Mutants would be nearly nonexistent. I've always loved the Enclave as a faction and I wish they were present in FO4, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of them.

Maybe someday we'll see them in Chicago, judging by the there are the last remnants of the enclave.

Actually there's no evidence they still exist. There's no log from the Enclave stationed there and Whitley really seems to have no idea if they were still operational. Chances are they've gone rogue from the rest of the Enclave. Even if they exist, I doubt they are a real fighting force. I would like a little side quest in a future Fallout with a small group of Enclave holdouts raiding villages, and the player has to go deal with it. When you find them, they start telling you how they're still fighting the true war.

But I think the Enclave are finished as an actual faction.

I believe you are on the right track with your theory. I feel like there are going to be alot of remnant factions throughout the wasteland all with different ideas on what they need to do to complete their mission. But of course odds are they will always fail, either we can end up recruiting them like the remnants in New Vegas, or we'll have to take care of them like you said.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:43 pm

@"Riddell26" Oh, how sad it is for me, I think that the bethesda is a bad company, and we will not see our old and kind fallout more.
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:56 pm

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@"Riddell26" Oh, how sad it is for me, I think that the bethesda is a bad company, and we will not see our old and kind fallout more.

I fear our only hope is if Obsidian gets another chance at a Fallout title. But these independent mods like Frontier and Seattle give me hope as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:00 pm

@"Riddell26" Yes obsidian class, but it's unlikely that Todd Howard will just give them a fallout franchise, but if it's I'll just be out of joy.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:07 pm

@"Enclave11" If you are really wanting the old Fallout experience check out falloutthefrontier.com if you haven't seen it yet. It is the most promising thing I have seen in a while.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:02 am

@"Riddell26" I kind of know about this project and I'm waiting for it with impatience, as well as I'm waiting for other projects and I know them all. Huh, you thought you were a smart guy, did not you?
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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:16 am

@Riddell26 wrote:
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@Enclave11 wrote:
@BlackTemplar wrote:
The Enclave would make things more stable, as Redmaus stated, plus the threat of feral ghouls and Super Mutants would be nearly nonexistent. I've always loved the Enclave as a faction and I wish they were present in FO4, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of them.

Maybe someday we'll see them in Chicago, judging by the there are the last remnants of the enclave.

Actually there's no evidence they still exist. There's no log from the Enclave stationed there and Whitley really seems to have no idea if they were still operational. Chances are they've gone rogue from the rest of the Enclave. Even if they exist, I doubt they are a real fighting force. I would like a little side quest in a future Fallout with a small group of Enclave holdouts raiding villages, and the player has to go deal with it. When you find them, they start telling you how they're still fighting the true war.

But I think the Enclave are finished as an actual faction.

I believe you are on the right track with your theory. I feel like there are going to be alot of remnant factions throughout the wasteland all with different ideas on what they need to do to complete their mission. But of course odds are they will always fail, either we can end up recruiting them like the remnants in New Vegas, or we'll have to take care of them like you said.

I kind of imagine it like those stories of old Japanese soldiers found on islands in the pacific years later who had no idea the war was over. It'd be pretty cool to have something like the For The Enclave mod, with different little groups of holdouts fighting over what remains of the Enclave.

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PostSubject: Re: Enclave or sea of corpses.   Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:25 am

They would probably bring order and stability to the wastes. Everyone(who is not heavily irradiated and/or infected by FEV) would probably enjoy peace and prosperity.

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