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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:25 pm

And to get things clear....by mutated plants i mean that kind of mutant plant that tries to kill you. Either by luring you to its fangs with some kind of pheromon and thus hiding its true nature( Beautiful Flower turns in to gruesome maneater) or Trees who actively attack you with their far to long and sharp branches,etc. I like the ambivalence of the quite and peaceful forrest from the outside to the death trap once you are inside. One location i have in mind for this kind of setting would be a skyscraper, half sunken into the woods and embraced by plants of all kinds...you enter the building and after some time you recon that something is odd. The whole building is actually occupied by a giant sentient carnovire plant and around every corner a part of it tries to kill you with a variety of weapons and traps.
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:00 pm

The idea of @piet33 is very interesting, but then Europe would be a home of ghouls and supermutants. If they were not prepared for the war, thus not have any fallout shelter/vaults, the common people would all suffer from radiation.
Unless Vault Tec was not exclusively american... and they were doing experiments all over. If not, only the most rich persons and army would have a chance to stay away from radiation.

But amazing. Europe overun by mutant forests is a great idea!

IN MY THOUGHTS, the nuclear bombs used in Fallout are much worse than the ones we know now, so because of this the whole climate of the world was changed after the fallout. I actually love this idea using mods like Nuclear Weather (that adds fire and acid rain, for example), so for me even the regions not bombed must be destroyed by mutation and riot.

And i wonder, what of South America? I always think what would be of Brazil after the war. Would it be bombed by picking sides?
I think of it like a big 'paradise', as it always was for criminals and such. People would flee here only to find the place extremely crowded. No food, poluted water. We would have factions of cannibals and lots of ferals, i am sure hahaha

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:34 am

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The cities and the countryside are relatively unharmed by explosions and such, but because of the excessive radiation all of the wildlife and the plants mutated extremely causing in huge Forrests filled with feral mutants where once the cities where......and so on because i wrote too much already Very Happy

This would be cool if Europe does ever feature in a future game. A Chernobyl aesthetic would be appropriate, especially for mainland Europe. Like, maybe set the game in, I dunno, Prague, and show it having been completely enveloped with forests and and plant growth. Could be very atmospheric and creepy to walk through.

That would be really fun to see. Put a good twist on what we are used to seeing in every fallout game. Even though the basis of the fallout series is post-war America, it would make for a really nice alternate setting game.

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:05 am

I would really like to see a more RPG-like approach to this fictional game. I felt like Fallout 4 lacks a bit in this department. I know it would be a whole lot of work but i like to see different origin stories, not text wise but as real gameplay. For example you could start on board of a former US navy ship(carrier?), which was on maneuver in the atlantic or north sea as the bombs dropped. Since that time the descendants of the former crew still sail the shores looking for supplies and such. But someday, the exploring party comes back to see their ship and home in flames and now they have to investigate what happend and track down the culprits. Another one would be of a native tribe/clan who got raided by nightfall and suspects a rivalry tribe and they want revenge. So they send out the remaining warriors to attack them but as they arrived they see that the same happend to the other tribe as well as many others as you try to come up with who is responsible for the attacks.

Of course both is set in the same location, lets say a major central europe port together with the surrounding countryside and maybe one or to cities in addition. To make it easier for the developers the "Main Villain Faction" would be the same but the point is that i want different(meaningful) backgrounds to be a thing in the next fallout game. They should influence how other people, mutants or even plants see you and they should reflect in your abilities as well.

That was not really written out or explained in detail but i hope you guys get the gist of what i was trying to tell
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:14 pm

@Di3sIrae wrote:

And i wonder, what of South America? I always think what would be of Brazil after the war. Would it be bombed by picking sides?
I think of it like a big 'paradise', as it always was for criminals and such. People would flee here only to find the place extremely crowded. No food, poluted water. We would have factions of cannibals and lots of ferals, i am sure hahaha

I think they had to be bombed as well due to the spread of socialism/communism in those parts. The few liberal places would be overrun with refugees and due to the overall already crippled and weak states, the South American nations would rip themselves apart in violent raider tribes/cartels. Succumbing to poverty and second hand radiation it would be like Freeside times a billion all over.

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:31 am

Europe being spared from being bombed is just an impossible thought. Even if Europe wants to stay Neutral they get dragged in the war regardless of their position to either sides.

One of those reasons being some weapons have nuclear weapons, even when they're not their own. Apparently Belgium is keeping some of America's nuclear weapons. (Why they'd trust that is beyond me) Either they get bombed for having the weapons in the first place or they get bombed for not giving it to either side. This country tried to stay neutral through two World War's and it got dragged in regardless.

It's highly possible that most of Europe's inhabitants might have survived in the style of Metro. Not really sure how that would go though.
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:47 pm

@William Lionheart: I could see inhabitants of Europe surviving in the style of the Metro games very easily. Especially in places such as France, you have very large subway systems and even the catacombs underneath the cities. Those places are vast and expansive and could make for a really interesting setting in the Fallout universe.

When you take all of the myths and rumors about what lays within the catacombs involving underground races or species that have built civilizations beneath the earth, you could end up with a really interesting story Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:09 am

@Grimmex Belgium has a vast network of subway's too, especially here in Antwerp. I ran through one of the unused tunnels we have and there are apparently plenty of them. They're not that big but are lengthy so if substations can be habitable it's highly plausible.

Though subway's won't do you much good if the country is turned into a giant crater.

PS you can use the mention button so you don't have to write @.
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:12 pm

@William Lionheart okay yeah the mention button works much better closed eyes smile

If that's the case then I could definitely picture that. And especially in places like Russia as well. Their subway system was built as a giant fallout shelter back in the day I believe.

And yeah, of the country were a big crater then none of that would do any good lol

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:49 pm

@Grimmex Did a little bit of extra research regarding this subject, because I like it so much.

Realistically speaking center of Europe: Belgium, Netherlands, France and Luxembourg would turn into a massive version of the Glowing Sea. If if's possible to contain radiation leaking into the subways then it's highly possible for survivors, though topside next to impossible. Due to the amount of nuclear power plants so close in the vicinity we're talking at least +60 rads a second to double that amount the closer you are to one.

The crater is possible if the explosions of the plants are massive in size. Only half a reactor exploded for Chernobyl so we have no clue on what kind of damage a complete destruction would do. It might as well contain the "damage" if the reactor is whipped out instantly but these are just assumptions.

There's a treaty where it's stated not to target nuclear power plants. Though to me it's a joke, in war time there are no treaties and all bets are off.


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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:59 am

@William Lionheart Yeah there's no doubt in my mind that any treaty would be null and void during a nuclear war. If only half of a reactor went off when the Chernobyl event occurred, then that is really scary to think what would happen in the event that all of those blew up at the same time.

I'm going to guess that they wouldn't be able to stop radiation from leaking into the metro tunnels. Maybe further down it wouldn't penetrate but close to the entrances, it would be deadly.

The glowing sea is already creepy and evil. It's hard to imagine something exponentially larger and more deadly. That would be one insane wasteland to survive in.

Now you've got me wanting a Fallout game based in Europe. Thanks for that interesting bit of information Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:11 am

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@"William Lionheart" Yeah there's no doubt in my mind that any treaty would be null and void during a nuclear war. If only half of a reactor went off when the Chernobyl event occurred, then that is really scary to think what would happen in the event that all of those blew up at the same time.

I'm going to guess that they wouldn't be able to stop radiation from leaking into the metro tunnels. Maybe further down it wouldn't penetrate but close to the entrances, it would be deadly.

The glowing sea is already creepy and evil. It's hard to imagine something exponentially larger and more deadly. That would be one insane wasteland to survive in.

Now you've got me wanting a Fallout game based in Europe. Thanks for that interesting bit of information Very Happy

The unfortunate event of chernobyl, it is known as the Deadly Clover on Europe

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:37 am

@Danieldefense is that actually a real thing? Because that sounds very ominous >_>

Either way, that would be a cool addition to the name for the European wasteland where all of the radiation from nuclear power plants would be.

"The Glowing Clover"

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:33 am

@"Grimmex" Yes, the initial cloud spread in the form of four-leaf clover (not exact) but it is like a curious fact
They are data that many people do not know, even arrived until the north of Spain the radioactive cloud

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:17 am

@Grimmex As I was waiting in the subway the other day, my mind went this topic once again. Near the entrance would be deadly, the first platform where all the tunnels are connected on would be do-able mostly depending on how open the entrance is.

Most of the subways I know here are pretty much open 24/7 and either they lock the doors down below at the first platform or they use a barred gate to close it off.

The subway platforms right next to the tracks would be the least harmful of the 3 spots inside a subway, though going deeper into the tunnels should make it even safer but less space in most cases.

Personally I think you're safer off in the older subway stations rather than the new ones or newly reconstructed ones. The newer ones have a better air system than the older ones, in my opinion regarding radioactivity this new system will kill you off faster than the old one. (Mind you i'm no technician so this is just a theory)

And personally I don't want to bet on the marvel of Belgian's construction work. There's a subway station that has water leaking from the ceiling for over a week. Now imagine if that water is radioactive...

@Danieldefense Well that does sound ominous as fuck, has a nice ring to it though. I think we don't even know half of what the fuck went on at Chernobyl and what the effects where across the globe.

@Di3sIrae I have to agree on that the nuclear weapons by then might be 10 times as worse, honestly I doubt we even know what the nuclear weapons of this time actually are cable off. I myself like to use nuclear weather mods too. I was highly disappointing with FO4's rad storms, they where to weak imo. Had a mod for NV that sounds an air siren everytime a rad storm is about to happen. If you don't make it inside you get a permanent diseases that kills you off in mere seconds.
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:21 pm

@William Lionheart Well that weather mod sounds interesting. So you will have to inform me of what it is, as I dont believe I have come across it.
@Danieldefense That clover business sounds like something ominous alright, but also ironic, as the clover is usually associated with good luck and lets face it that wasnt good luck.

The majority of central Europe would probably be blown to shit, but I cant see it being all like the glowing sea. Keep in mind DC would have been hit a few times by bombs but some of the land still survived. Not all of it, but some. And I see places like France having split off places that are super irradiated and the rest not so much. Like your talking about the major parts of Europe being completely in ruins, but still some places remaining somewhat habitable. Also you gotta think England would have a big bomb dropped on its head, being Americas closest ally and all that. But besides that, I actually love the image of Rome in the Fallout verse, because you know there is some Legion(not the legion but something like them) shit happening there in the Collusium and some whacky vatican vault too. And when I say whacky, you know i mean truly horrifying and disturbing. Or Venice, imagine how little room you would have among the canals trying to get away from what would no doubt be a city packed with mutants and monsters.
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:02 pm

Really interesting topic. So, I read everything, and i think that Europe might not be as destroyed or annihilated as some of you have said. We know that before the great war, Europe formed what is called the European Commonwealth (basically the European Union in fallout lore). And we also know what happened to this commonwealth up until the great war. Here's some quotes from the fallout wikia: "The European Commonwealth is the Fallout universe's equivalent of the real-world European Union, which has integrated into a single state-like entity throughout Europe; this was probably a federal union. It is, however, unknown which European states were members." (We may don't know which states are member but let's assume it's more or less the same as those in Real life european union. )

"In 2052, Europe was heavily dependent on oil imports from the petroleum-rich states of the Middle East and responded with military action to rapidly rising oil prices that were damaging its economy, starting the terrible global conflicts that later historians simply lumped together as the Resource Wars.The outcome of the conflict suggests that the European Commonwealth possessed a unified military. It is unknown whether the Commonwealth took steps to ensure its survival like the United States did."

"After the European Commonwealth-Middle East War came to an end in 2060 when the Middle East's oil fields dried up, there was no purpose in fighting anymore. The European Commonwealth quickly began to dissolve into quarreling nation states fighting over the last remaining resources on Earth."

So, we know that by 2060, Europe is just nothing more than a chaotic territory. Countries fighting each other for the last resources. And that would be 17 years before the Great War, which means that by the time the bombs fell, there is not much order left in Europe. We can assume that governments quickly fell into ruins, and we can assume that europe is by that time, nothing more than a wasteland, with everyone for himself, sturggling to survive, so it's like the fallout wasteland, but without the radiations.

Taking all these facts into account, we can suppose that by the time the bombs fell, Europe is of no importance for the remaining powers in the world such as USA, Russia and China. So I'd like to think that europe was not a target for any of the bombs, because of those reasons, and because by that time, it's supposed to already be a sort of wasteland. That said, it is safe to assume that after the bomb fell, europe is suffering from all the radiations and such, just like the rest of the world. But, my point is, that in my opinion, Europe did not take a direct hit from one of the bombs. though, because of all the unrest that occurs after the end of the resources war, we can also assume that some of the nuclear power plants might have exploded or been destroyed, this is highly probable.

If Europe has not been directly hit by a bomb, that should mean that there is a lot more people who survived than in USA or in China. But, since it is safe to assume that the old continent would suffer from radiations, as much as any other place in the world, those survivor would all quickly turn into ghouls. This would means that europe is a wasteland, inhabited mostly by ghouls, and it would be the home of huge ferals hordes.

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:44 pm

@William Lionheart I would have to agree with you there. If the newer systems have better air flow and are overall more open, they'd certainly be more prone to radiation leaks and contamination. The older tunnels sound like they'd be a safer bet for establishing outposts and small underground settlements. Then as they developed, they could make trips into the more contaminated tunnels with gear that they could have scavenged.

@ZombieRedNeck if I were to take a guess, I would think it's the True Storms mod. It makes the radiation storms more hazardous and better looking. I could easily be wrong but that's my best guess Smile

@praising Okay, now that's a really interesting theory about Europe. Considering the different bits of info you provided, I could see that being the case as well. A giant wasteland filled with hordes of feral ghouls. As if a nuclear apocalypse wasn't bad enough, now we've got what is essentially a zombie apocalypse added into the mix.

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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:23 pm

@ZombieRedNeck It's FNV Project Reality http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/42180/?

What I mean with The Glowing Sea and a huge crater in central Europe, I'm only referring to the most central located countries. As in Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg and most part of France. I'm basing this off my knowledge on locations of the nuclear power plants in those locations.

Even if every European country end up being a bunch of tribals, some of them still have nuclear weapons to be used. I never meant to say there would be NO life whatsoever but meant that general survivors would be next to zero. Most of them would become ghouls, both normal and feral a like.

If Europe never used any or directly got targeted by nuclear weapons, there's always a chance there are stray bombs falling into other eras.


@Grimmex If you do manage to survive the radiation my only question left is how do you continue to survive? Getting food supplies wouldn't be easy to obtain at all let alone other resources needed to survive. Especially at the start of the radioactive fallout radiation would be insanely high so how would you go about scavenging?
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PostSubject: Re: What ever happened to Europe?   Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:39 am

@William Lionheart I guess I'm basing my theories on the idea that people would know this kind of world altering event is lingering somewhere in the future and countries would be preparing for radiation and what not.

My hope is that the citizens and government of each of the countries would have turned some of those unused tunnels that you had mentioned previously into supply storage and would have radiation suits and other protective gear in them. It would be the "vaults" of the European wasteland if that makes any sense. Like in the Metro series, they had done essentially that in order to prepare and use the tunnels as fallout shelters with supplies and means to go to the surface and survive where they were. That's what I would think they'd do at least.

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