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Andrees92
Posts : 144 Join date : 2015-06-27 Age : 26 Location : Argentina
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:17 pm | |
| Dunno, House hasn't won in the last 200 years, why should he win now? _________________ A man can only be beaten in two ways: if he quits, or if he dies.The same boiling water that softens potatoes, hardens eggs. It's all about what you're made of, not your circumstances. |
| | | lgarrott
Posts : 14 Join date : 2015-05-07
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:37 pm | |
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| | | Elroy911
Posts : 41 Join date : 2015-06-18 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:23 pm | |
| I think the NCR would win but with massive losses because they were suprised with the Legion Soldiers coming through the Dam. But at the time the Reinforcemend of the NCR would arrive they would have good chances of defending the Dam. _________________ Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
| | | Pharah
Posts : 3430 Join date : 2014-05-13
Character sheet Name: Faction: Level:
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:32 pm | |
| Battlefield is the place where psychos turn the wheel of fate. And the Legion is full of them. |
| | | oldboy
Posts : 226 Join date : 2014-11-11 Age : 35 Location : Los Angeles
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:16 pm | |
| - lgarrott wrote:
- NCR and proud! But seriously in the long run the NCR would win. Once Caesar dies the Legion dies with him
naaah, i doubt it. legate lanius would simply take his place...and that guy is VICIOUS lol. |
| | | AMOneEighty
Posts : 150 Join date : 2014-11-26 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:24 pm | |
| You could also argue that it'll be a continuing stalemate, I mean after all, you improve NCR moral and support and give the Legion and the extra edge, and help Mr. House set his plan into motion, so really, The Courier is the tipping point to any faction, without them, the game ends up a stalemate for a hell of a lot longer |
| | | Jarhead505
Posts : 79 Join date : 2015-04-17 Location : earth
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:05 am | |
| - oldboy wrote:
- lgarrott wrote:
- NCR and proud! But seriously in the long run the NCR would win. Once Caesar dies the Legion dies with him
naaah, i doubt it. legate lanius would simply take his place...and that guy is VICIOUS lol. the legion follow Caesar not his ideals so once he's gone the legion will slowly crumble from the inside because of basic human nature. |
| | | AMOneEighty
Posts : 150 Join date : 2014-11-26 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:00 am | |
| They do? I mean forgive me I've never done a Legion playthrough but I know the one Legion guy you interrogate says something about how people don't believe Caesar is a fit leader for them because of his tumor |
| | | gav07Gaming
Posts : 1143 Join date : 2014-12-27 Location : Kentucky
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:17 am | |
| It doesn't show it in game but its heavvily implied the legion crumbles. But also some think the legion will thrive and do even better under Lanius. Depends on how lanius handles his troops honestly. But i think the legion would win hoover dam with or without Caesar due to Lanius being a military genius |
| | | LanPaKing
Posts : 26 Join date : 2015-06-13 Age : 35
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:40 pm | |
| In my playthrough, no one really cares about Caesar's being the leader or not. I killed Caesar and all I heard from the Legions are they mourned for his death, but none I heard said anything about he will be remembered or something like that. So I guess no one really gave a damn about his death. Also during the battle of Hoover Dam, they don't seem that misguided or look crumbled to me, maybe the Legion only see Caesar as a guidance rather than a leader. Also it would seem that they are some within the Legion who are somewhat fed up with Caesar, like Silus (the NCR prisoner) and Dead Sea (the commanding officer? in Nelson). |
| | | Andrees92
Posts : 144 Join date : 2015-06-27 Age : 26 Location : Argentina
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:44 pm | |
| In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander. _________________ A man can only be beaten in two ways: if he quits, or if he dies.The same boiling water that softens potatoes, hardens eggs. It's all about what you're made of, not your circumstances. |
| | | Sierran
Posts : 196 Join date : 2015-05-04 Age : 29 Location : Glasgow,Scotland
Character sheet Name: "Trooper" Faction: NCR Level: 70
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:05 pm | |
| - Andrees92 wrote:
- In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.
Lanius is hardly a commander, He's more of a butcher, Relentless forward assaults and suicide missions would probably become the norm within the Legion should Caesar, A far more cunning and tactful commander, be killed, The thing about such brute force tactics is that they can easily be subverted by a somewhat competent enemy commander, Replace General Oliver with Colonel Hsu at the Battle of Hoover Dam and the Legion would be running like cowards even without the Courier's legendary skills. _________________ |
| | | Soju
Posts : 2266 Join date : 2014-10-19 Location : USA
Character sheet Name: ---------------------- Faction: --------------------- Level: ----------------------
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:44 pm | |
| - Sierran wrote:
- Andrees92 wrote:
- In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.
Lanius is hardly a commander, He's more of a butcher, Relentless forward assaults and suicide missions would probably become the norm within the Legion should Caesar, A far more cunning and tactful commander, be killed, The thing about such brute force tactics is that they can easily be subverted by a somewhat competent enemy commander, Replace General Oliver with Colonel Hsu at the Battle of Hoover Dam and the Legion would be running like cowards even without the Courier's legendary skills. Well to be honest we don't really know Lanius that well, if not at all, only that he's brutal, and he's successfully conquered over 19 tribes (source = wiki). He's the Legion's military commander after all. |
| | | Renegadefunk89
Posts : 94 Join date : 2015-02-12 Age : 35 Location : Australia, mate.
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:08 am | |
| Personally, I think the Legion takes it. The NCR got lucky last time, if they hadn't lured them into Boulder City the Legion would have won.
I don't think the Legion would have lasted too much longer after that though, without the Courier Ceaser still has his tumour and everyone knows Lanius couldn't hold them together. |
| | | Cuddles
Posts : 107 Join date : 2015-05-06 Age : 29 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:38 am | |
| I would think that the legion would win because they have more people than the Ncr does but the legion would win but at a cost |
| | | fhatton7
Posts : 144 Join date : 2015-04-24
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:23 pm | |
| I think its quite obvious that the Legion would easily win the battle with Lanius at the helm. Also, the strip infiltration and the attack on forlorn hope would go down without a hitch. The NCR has ALOT of problems in the game that can only be fixed by the Courier.. McCarren bombing, The fiends, forlorn hope, bitter springs supply problems, etc. |
| | | darianshaw1
Posts : 4 Join date : 2015-07-04 Age : 35
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:06 am | |
| i feel they would just kill each other they are both power hungry then knowing how cheap the brotherhood of steel is they would come over at the end and clean it all up. lol but thats just me |
| | | huntman75
Posts : 57 Join date : 2015-07-07 Age : 29 Location : Georgia, United States
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:41 pm | |
| I believe without the great intervention of the courier that the state of the Mojave would remain in a stalemate until eventually Benny killed Mr. House and got control of the Securitrons and FSU'd. (F$%$ed S#$% Up) _________________ 2/121st Light-foot KCCO! |
| | | oldboy
Posts : 226 Join date : 2014-11-11 Age : 35 Location : Los Angeles
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:36 pm | |
| - Andrees92 wrote:
- In-game its super-duper heavily implied that once the Caesar dies, the legion would fall apart. HOWEVER, from my experience (killed Caesar several times), and the fact that I believe that Lanius is a very capable leader (if not better that Caesar), the legion would be able to continue without him, sure, some legionnaries would defect, and there would be a minor incidence, but the mass force of the legion would still stand, as I said, Lanius is a very capable commander.
he is a capable commander, and hes ruthless too...he exterminates the followers of the apocalypse, kills everyone inside the Strip, crucifies arcade gannon and a whole bunch of other ruthless stuff. a quick quote from wiki proving that hes a capable commander - Quote :
- Since this time, Lanius has led Caesar's Legion to victory over 19 tribes and has led the conquest of Colorado.
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| | | wealthywyatt
Posts : 251 Join date : 2014-06-25 Age : 32 Location : Latveria
| Subject: Re: who'd win the battle of Hoover Dam without the couriers intervention? Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:35 pm | |
| I think the ncr would eventually win... After a long drawn out battle _________________ |
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