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PostSubject: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 8:32 am

So early last year Pablo Hidalgo stated in a tweet that neither of the Fetts were Mandalorians. Does anyone know if there has been any update to this?

Link to the Tweet in question: twitter.com pablohidalgo status 693214698003644417?lang=en

Had to take out the "/" in order to get the post to work.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 8:38 am

They just really want to piss off the fans, don't they?
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 8:41 am

Certainly does seem to be a case of one step forward, two steps back since Disney took over.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 12:32 pm

IIRC, wasn't Jango adopted by a Mandalorian Clan originally anyway?

IDK, Disney seem to have a wierd on and off logic when it comes to the Mandalorians. It used to be that the Mandalorians were a race that went mostly extinct, and lived on through their culture, and anyone who joined up was made a mandalorian, like Mira in Kotor 2, or, I assume Jango Fett, so I get where they are coming from in regards that.

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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 12:38 pm

In legends, Jango was actually Mandalore at one point, leader of the mandalorians. >_>

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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 12:53 pm

Blame George Lucas, he did this change amongst others during the Clone Wars. We would of gotten Revan in the Clone Wars, but he said no. He's also the smart guy who thought Korriban would be better off named Moraband.

Kinda glad he sold Star Wars lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 7:03 pm

i've not heard anythig else about that pablo hidalago thing about fett's not being mandalorians, but i know in expanded universe and legends(thank disney for taking away the EU) that jango fett was actaully a mandalorian, and he fought with the mandalorians.
this is from the wiki about jango fet open seasons comic book, outlining jango's past.
"Jango's Past[edit]
A series of flashbacks reveal the events of Jango's life. 58 years before the Battle of Yavin the Mandalorians split into two factions: the barbaric Death Watch, led by Tor Vizsla, and the True Mandalorians, honorable mercenaries led by Jaster Mereel. The conflict spills over onto Jango's homeworld of Concord Dawn, where the Death Watch scatters the True Mandalorians. Vizsla and his men arrive at a young Jango's home and kill Jango's family for giving aid to Jaster before burning their fields. Jango helps Jaster and his men escape the blaze and they set a trap for the Death Watch in a nearby town. The Death Watch are ambushed and defeated, though Vizsla escapes, and Jaster welcomes Jango into the Mandalorians.

Years later, Jango has become a full-fledged Mandalorian and squad commander under Jaster's tutelage. On a mission to the planet Korda Six, the Mandalorians are ambushed by the Death Watch. Jaster is killed by Vizsla after being abandoned by his second-in-command, Montross. Montross attempts to become Mandalorians' new leader, but Jango reveals his betrayal. Jango becomes the leader of the Mandalorians and Montross is banished. Jango later makes a deal with the governor of the planet Galidraan to wipe out a local rebellion in exchange for information on the Death Watch's whereabouts, only to discover that he had been set up. Under Vizsla's instructions, the governor had begged for help from the Jedi, claiming that the Mandalorians had been slaughtering "political activists." A Jedi strike force (led by Dooku) arrives and wipes out all the Mandalorians save Jango, who manages to kill several Jedi with his bare hands before surrendering. Jango is turned over to the governor of Galidraan, who sells him into slavery. However, Jango manages to escape and track down the Death Watch. Launching an assault on their starship, Jango fights and kills Vizsla, ending the Death Watch and leaving to begin his career as a bounty hunter."
NOW part of that comic was written before the clone wars cartoon and of course as we all know vizla is killed by darth maul, but of course this was george lucas changing up the star wars canon also.
disney has now killed the expanded universe and 80% of the star wars backstory, which kills me, but at the same time parts of it was a bit out their.
i do believe and go with the expanded universe version of the mandalorians, that the fett's were mandalorians, and that boba fett went on to become mandalore, i don't count the clone wars version of the mandalorians as pacifists, it takes everything away from the mandalorians warrior culture, and makes them into a bunch of (excuse my language) pussy's, and to think that the jedi almost destroys the planet mandalore and the mandalorians just go ok, we give, we won't fight back. Nope, sorry, i'm not feeling that, especailly when the mandalorians fought the jedi in the mandalorians wars, yeah. i honestly don't see us bending over for something like the jedi turning mandalore into a desolate wasteland desert.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 7:18 pm

I don't know what you guys are talking about Jango was from Concorde Dawn yes there was mando Infuence
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 11:29 pm

@"Luke Priefer" this is what we are refering to:
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/693214698003644417

also if you don't know who pable hidalgo is, he is THE NUMBER 1 source for all things star wars, he works for lucasarts/disney and has been the one person to keep up with all back storys about star wars. so basically he's saying that now jango fett and boba fett aren't mandalorian, but at some point jango claimed to have been from concord dawn. its all a big bunch of BS, and i won't believe what he says about the fetts not being mandalorian.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyTue Oct 03, 2017 11:51 pm

@"bobbadan"

To be fair Pablo is just repeating what's been pretty much canon since the Star Wars Clone Wars TV series. I believe it was Season 2, first aired October 2009 and concluded in April 2010, where Jango Fett was mentioned in an episode and implied to be a 'pretender' and that he stole his armor by the Prime Minister of Mandalore, Almec.

George Lucas along with Dave Filoni really screwed with the Mandalorians in the TCW series. Pacifists Mandalorians, Deathwatch being little more than space thugs, and implying the Fetts aren't Mando... Many EU fans were not pleased with how the Mandalorians were depicted in the Clone Wars, and I admit the Mandalorian episodes weren't my favorite.

Only after Darth Maul shows up did things start to get a little interesting on that side of the story for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyWed Oct 04, 2017 12:31 am

@Chinpoko117 also pablo hidalgo is pid by lucasarts/lucasfilm/disney to say whatver fits the new canon, so when george wanted to change the canon, pablo was forced to do so as well, when disney deceided to make away with the expanded universe, well pablo had to let go of that and change the history to match the new canon, so their goes jango and boba fett as mandalorians. but i follow the expanded universe mandalorians. if i was pablo hidalgo i'd be hating disney for getting rid of the expanded universe, cause all those yrs of reading up on expanded universe books has been swept away like they never happened and all those yrs spent reading it probably feels like wasred yrs.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyWed Oct 04, 2017 4:59 am

I definitely would have to agree that both George and Disney dont seem to like the Mandalorians as they were made to be in the EU. Well, I cant really say about Disney so much.

@bobbadan does bring up a good point as well though. I will admit that I understand Disney scrapping the EU, but I think they handled it in the wrong way. To me, I think they would of been better doing the same as Marvel and put the EU into its own universe. I mean sure, Disney is making a killing from Star Wars as it is, but they could easily doubled the money they make now having the EU continue in it own universe. Christ, it worked for George for long enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyWed Oct 04, 2017 5:46 am

@Talyc_Verda imagine this, disney, has already kinda has done half of that job already, by renaming the expanded universe as legends, here's what i'm saying disney could do, we can have the expanded universe be a seperate universe labeled as legends, disney could take bits and pieces from it, but still keep it as alternate universe canon. disney could take all the expanded universe novels, comics, and games and redistrubute them with the moniker of legends. imagine going to a book store and finding the thrawn trilogy in paper back or hard back put out by disney and have star wars legends on the cover showing its (expanded universe) disney makes money off the novels, comics and games, and the world still gets to have freshly printed and manufactored novels. As far as i know, all the expanded universe novels and comics aren't being printed and sold any longer, eventually all the old copies will be either worn out or left on someone's shelf and possibly never read by future generations. i think thats a waste of resources, and it's horrible that future genereations will never read those great expanded universe novels. disney could make exceelant money on that, if only they would rethink their position on (legends/expanded universe)
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyThu Oct 05, 2017 3:02 am

Pretty much man, and I mean even before Disney, thats basically how things were. George was quoted as say that he thought of his saga and the EU as separate universes on several occasions. More to the point though, by all technicality they do the whole alternative universe thing through Marvel. Which that kinda stuffs up their excuse of the EU conflicting with their canon. Yet you cant help but notice that they sure dont mind pulling things out of the EU and putting it in their stories.

Mind you, on the subject of their canon, I personally think they need to rethink how its been done anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyThu Oct 05, 2017 3:15 am

@Talyc_Verda if your talking about the disney cannon, yeah they definetly need to rethink how their doing the new canon, especially this mandalorian jedi crap, serioulsy mandalorians were never jedi, it's time to go back to the warrior culture, and stay away from the whole mando becoming jedi stuff. sure their were some jedi who went on to join the mandalorians, but once they took up the resol'nare then they gave up thier past lives as jedi.
But of course, disney, wants to wash all that away like it never existed, i still stand by the warrior culture and the resol'nare though.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyThu Oct 05, 2017 5:36 pm

If we're going by the old Canon. Jango was a Mandalorian via adoption by Jaster Mereel, though his surname indicates his family had a history of being Mandalorian through Cassus Fett from the KOTOR Era and Cassus's Clan grew as there are some Fett's in SWTOR like Khomo Fett in the KOTFE Expansion.

Jango was a Mandalorian, however after the battle of Galidraan and when he later killed Tor Viszla and wiped out that version of the Death Watch he left the way of life to become a Bounty Hunter.

Boba Fett as we know him in the movies is not a Mandalorian. He simply isn't and doesn't meet the requirements as he doesn't really follow the culture or practice the Resol'nare (Chief Tennants). It's like you aren't a real Christian if you don't read the bible, go to church, pray, or really believe in the religion. Your agnostic or lying to yourself. He is simply a Bounty Hunter who is clone of Jango and he probably only wear that armor because his Father did and it's very good armor. He doesn't become a Mandalorian until he meets up with his grand daughter, Mirta Gev and makes a promise to Fenn Shysa, before his death, that he will become Mand'alor.

Being a Mandalorian by the time of the Movies isn't really so much genetic as it is a culture. Basically your family follows the Mandalorian Way and live in Mandalorian Space. Genetic Mandalorians died out long time ago.

As for the new Canon. It's kinda shakey. Almec denied that Jango wasn't a Mandalorian, however we have to look at certain things about that.

1. The New Mandalorians exiled all the Warriors to the moon of Concordia. Jango would be an anomaly to that.

2. Almec was speaking to Kenobi, who was an agent of the Republic. He's probably lying to throw him off. The New Mandos didn't want any Republic Involvement.

3. Almec is a corrupt Politician POS that lies. In later episodes he makes deals with alien traders that poison their children to save on profit and he later tries to subtly overthrow the Duchess and later teams up with Maul when he takes over. His word is really kinda sketchy don't you think?

4. And finally. The True Mandalorian group that Jango was apart of could have been deemed as non Mandalorians and terrorists by the New Mandalorian Government. They were stuck up Pacifistic shits like that. Or The Fett Clan was a lower the low house in terms of the Disney Canon Mando Clan and House System. Think of GOT style with Fett could being a very low standing name like a Snow or Blackfyre compared to Viszla which is like the Boltons or Targaryans.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyThu Oct 05, 2017 6:21 pm

@Bas the Terminator honestly, i don't know what or where disney is taking the mandalorians, its seems to be a bit all over the place, and then they decide to give the darksaber a back story of it was owned and made by a mandalorian jedi, like you said about boba fett and not being mandalorian before meeting his grand daughter, you cannot be completey devoted to the resol'nare if part of your heart and soul is also devoted to some other religion. the resol'nare states wearing armor, speaking the language, defending oneself and family, raising your children as Mandalorians, contributing to the clan's welfare, and when called upon by the Mand'alor, rallying to their cause. but if you are following to masters, you can never be completey devoted to either one, therefore you can not be a mandalorian and a jedi, you have to be one or the other. disney wants to destroy the past warrior culture and the resol'nare, by saying their was a mandalorian jedi. its an ingima, and a contradiction to what the resol'nare stands for. so i'll never follow disney's version of what a mandalorian is.
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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyThu Feb 22, 2018 7:21 am

I dont care what this self titled canon expert says. They are mandalorian. True mandalorians are an idea more than a physical race. In the old canon anyone of any species can be mandalorian. And thats what I still believe.

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PostSubject: Re: Fetts not Mandalorian.   Fetts not Mandalorian. EmptyThu Feb 22, 2018 8:30 am

"Here's why you can't exterminate us, aruetii. We're not huddled in one place—we span the galaxy. We need no lords or leaders—so you can't destroy our command. We can live without technology—so we can fight with our bare hands. We have no species or bloodline—so we can rebuild our ranks with others who want to join us. We're more than just a people or an army, aruetii. We're a culture. We're an idea. And you can't kill ideas—but we certainly can kill you."

I will always stand by this when it comes to Mandalorians because it makes so much sense. Mandalorians remind me of the Qunari in Dragon Age. The core of their people is a single race, in the Mandalorian's case the Tuang (who are now extinct due to their many failed wars against the Republic/Jedi), but their teachings, mainly spread by warfare and conscription have spread far beyond that. It makes way more sense that way. The Mandalorians seem more like a religious belief or an ideology than a race anyway. Just like the Jedi or the Sith.

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