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PostSubject: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:24 pm

This was something I was wondering about, and was hoping someone could elaborate on this.
From what I've been hearing is that the NCR won the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam, but I'm not sure though.
I am very interested to know if there are hints in Fallout 4 about it, if there are, maybe I just haven't come across any in my 10 Days(Ingame) of playing, although the only sort of hint I have is from the Prdwyn terminal about Maxon's rise to power, where they talk about the West Coast elders. Which I guess means that the West Coast Brotherhood survived and allied themselves with the NCR during the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam or something else/

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:45 pm

There is no canonical ending to New Vegas as long as there's no follow-up game set on the West Coast. Also the Prydwen entries are so filled with pathos, they're a joke, they are made up to "show" how great Maxson as leader is, even if he's not better than the average Enclave guy. Furthermore the BOS in NV is not the complete BOS it's just a chapter.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:56 pm

@wurm45 wrote:
There is no canonical ending to New Vegas as long as there's no follow-up game set on the West Coast. Also the Prydwen entries are so filled with pathos, they're a joke, they are made up to "show" how great Maxson as leader is, even if he's not better than the average Enclave guy. Furthermore the BOS in NV is not the complete BOS it's just a chapter.

Ah okay thanks for clearing that up
I had a feeling that most of what was on that Terminal had to be somewhat exaggerated
Although I wonder what happened to the rest of the West Coast Brotherhood, if they were at war with the NCR.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:21 am

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@wurm45 wrote:
There is no canonical ending to New Vegas as long as there's no follow-up game set on the West Coast. Also the Prydwen entries are so filled with pathos, they're a joke, they are made up to "show" how great Maxson as leader is, even if he's not better than the average Enclave guy. Furthermore the BOS in NV is not the complete BOS it's just a chapter.

Ah okay thanks for clearing that up
I had a feeling that most of what was on that Terminal had to be somewhat exaggerated
Although I wonder what happened to the rest of the West Coast Brotherhood, if they were at war with the NCR.

During the fight of Helios one, didn't BoS outnumbered by the NCR even though they had superior technology? They lost a bunch of guys during that fight, therefore I think the ones at the bunker are all that left, well, except Elijah and Christine of course.
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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:27 am

If the brotherhood's bunker is destroyed, the ending slideshow will say that any members of the Mojave brotherhood who weren't in the bunker either settled into new lives or headed west to find a new chapter, meaning there are still more left in California. As far as I can tell, the game implies that the Mojave chapter was the only one involved in Helios.

But aside from that, there is no canonical ending, as @wurm45 said, and I doubt that there ever will be one. If Beth or Obsidian decide to do another game on the West Coast, NV will probably be declared non-canon to avoid issues, or they'll find a cheeky way around it, like the dragon break in Daggerfall. That's just how they work.
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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:23 am

There is no canon ending. And there likely will never be one. It's just the way Bethesda (and in this case, Obsidian, which in the case of NV operates similarly to Bethesda) deals with sequels. Fallout games are years, even decades apart and their locations vary widely. If Obsidian made Fallout take place elsewhere whatever ending happens in NV will likely have little consequence for anyplace beyond the Mojave/Vegas area.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:51 am

Their can't be a canon way to end any fallout game besides maybe 1 or 2. Fallout 3 and NV all have different ways to end and especially adding in fallout 4 with multiple endings. Bethesda or the fallout series at this point would have to bounce between state to state or city to city. Maybe even bring the game to overseas. Fallout won't really run out but, can't really offer canon ways to end the game anymore. Especially different ways to end the game. They can possibly do a poll asking which ending was chosen the most and make a continuation on that. To answer your question, there is no canon way to end NV.
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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:41 am

@SpaceLord21 wrote:
It's just the way Bethesda (and in this case, Obsidian, which in the case of NV operates similarly to Bethesda) deals with sequels.

Well Obsidian is made up of a bunch of guys who worked on Fallout 1 and 2, and the way they did things is to have a canon ending. There's this thing called the Fallout Bible which basically states the outcome to each major quest, and then there's the Vault Dweller's memoires in Fallout 2 which does the same.

Granted, the Fallout Bible is only canon now in as much as it doesn't contradict Bethesda's lore, but it still is pretty set-in-stone about the first two games.

@craigross93 wrote:
Their can't be a canon way to end any fallout game besides maybe 1 or 2. Fallout 3 and NV all have different ways to end and especially adding in fallout 4 with multiple endings.

Fallout 1 and 2 had multiple endings with a set canon one declared for the sequel.

Anyone interested in this stuff should check out the Fallout Lore subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/falloutlore/).

I mean, I'm not saying any of you are wrong, just that if Obsidian were to do another game involving the NCR or Legion or any other west coast faction, they would possibly declare an ending canon. The boffins over at the Lore subreddit, who are pretty much the best in the biz, seem to think that the most likely ones are NCR victory or independant Vegas.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:50 am

@"MickyJim" Great Response dude, Yeah i agree that an NCR or Independant Vegas is the more Likely Canon ending. Statistically more Players would choose these options due to the Legions lack of Content. As for myself on my First play through I chose NCR Because (Until Further Playthroughs) I thought they were Morally better and Democratic, compared to the slave state that is the Legion.

Obsidian (If they develop another Fallout game) Could expand on the Legion by Featuring their Expanse Eastward, this way they can navigate around who won the Battle of Hoover Dam and include the Legion.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:04 am

@Savage55 wrote:
@"MickyJim"  Great Response dude, Yeah i agree that an NCR or Independant Vegas is the more Likely Canon ending. Statistically more Players would choose these options due to the Legions lack of Content. As for myself on my First play through I chose NCR Because (Until Further Playthroughs) I thought they were Morally better and Democratic, compared to the slave state that is the Legion.

See, my main ending is independent Vegas with the Courier in charge. My Courier is washing away House's pretences of the old world, which just don't work any more, and creating a fairer but more pragmatic city-state on good terms with the NCR but strictly separate from it.

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Obsidian (If they develop another Fallout game) Could  expand on the Legion by Featuring their Expanse Eastward, this way they can navigate around who won the Battle of Hoover Dam and include the Legion.

Yeah, Denver would be great for your suggestion. My vote for a Legion-heavy game would be Pheonix or Tucson. The Legion is collapsing into squabbling warlords (which is likely without Caesar even if he wins at Hoover Dam) and you're caught in the middle.

Or an NCR game could be Portland or Seattle. The NCR continues to expand, this time north (their growth east checked by an independent Vegas or by continued Legion resistance, depending on ending). The settlement building mechanic would be great for NCR settlers moving in from California.

We can dream. I want another Obsidian game so bad but I'm just not sure it'll happen.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:14 pm

Yeah. I'm not so sure how pumped Beth is to give Obsidian the licence this time around. They seem kinda salty about NV's popularity.

If they do another game though, I'd be really interested in one on the Baja frontier, or maybe even mainland Mexico. I'm not sure how hard it would be to avoid references to Hoover Dam, but the NCR in NV doesn't seem too infafuated about their past victories. Then again, it's Hooover Dam, so there'd probably be an exception for such a large and hard-won victory, or crippling and soul-crushing defeat.
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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:34 pm

@MikeyJim The Courier in charge of the strip sounds great and everything, but it has the same flaw as Caesar's Legion, once the Couierer/Caesar dies, there will be a power struggle and The Legion/New Vegas would be plunged into chaos. I hope there's more Legion Content in the Future, Also on the topic about the Ncr Expanding into the Northwest, The Frontier Mod's setting Takes Place in The Oregon/Washington Area, so we have that to look forward to as well.

@Eldael Ya I'd be salty to if it took me 8 years to develop a game, only to be told it wasn't as good as a game developed in only 1 year!

A Baja Frontier would Be awesome, they could even expand On Texas seeing as how Fallout Brotherhood of Steel game isn't Canon. Though Obsidian has talked about wanting to make a Fallout in Louisiana.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:39 pm

Yeah. I ultimately sided with House, not only because of the inevitable power vacuum the courier would leave behind, but because the courier could easily be corrupted. It's human nature. I just couldn't trust myself. 200 years had proven House incorruptible. Aside from that, he is really the only faction who understands why the war escalated so much. Sure, his ways are a little reminiscent of the Old World, but his plans have little room for the underlying issues pre-war American society had to develop.

And I really can't wait for Frontier. That mod is going to be amazing.

Louisiana sounds like a nice setting, despite how much I hated the swamp theme of Point Lookout. Though that probably had more to do with me hating Point Lookout altogether than just the theme of it.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:45 pm

@Savage55 wrote:
@MikeyJim The Courier in charge of the strip sounds great and everything, but it has the same flaw as Caesar's Legion, once the Couierer/Caesar dies, there will be a power struggle and The Legion/New Vegas would be plunged into chaos. I hope there's more Legion Content in the Future, Also on the topic about the Ncr Expanding into the Northwest, The Frontier Mod's setting Takes Place in The Oregon/Washington Area, so we have that to look forward to as well.

Steps can be taken to limit power struggles, though. Not to get too much into the realm of fanfic but my Courier would put measures into place. Plus he's already been shot in the head once, my only-slightly-insane Courier takes this as some kind of blessing from fortune, Anton Chigurh-style.

Plus I feel Vegas would be harder to dismantle, what with the incorruptible robots and all.

And yes I have been keeping a close eye on Frontier, looking great!

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... but because the courier could easily be corrupted. It's human nature. I just couldn't trust myself. 200 years had proven House incorruptible. Aside from that, he is really the only faction who understands why the war escalated so much. Sure, his ways are a little reminiscent of the Old World, but his plans have little room for the underlying issues pre-war American society had to develop.

Oh, House is great. His plans for Vegas are also great. The problem in my book is the shocking wealth disparity, seen at its worst in Freeside. My Courier essentially plans to carry on House's legacy and vision for Vegas but with a more people-friendly twist.

As for incorruptible, I don't know. He's still human, even if he's been pickled for two centuries. I'd say he's been corrupted with the idea that Vegas somehow stands outside the Wasteland around it, whereas my Courier sees it as part of it and just another place.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:38 pm

Again, the issue with that is whether the courier would retain such intention with so much power. I'm really doubtful of that. Maybe House isn't quite as incorruptible as I made him out to be, but he's certainly moreso than anyone else in the wasteland. In addition, he's the only faction that doesn't carry with it the problems that caused the end of the world in the first place. But to each their own, I suppose.

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:18 pm

@"crojas909" chris Avellone said that his favourite ending along with most of the team, that he felt was most satisfying, was wild card. While we can't say for sure, it's very very likely that if New Vegas got a sequal It would use a variation of the wild card ending.
Of course the bigger thing would really be what cannon ending he choose for Lonesome Road. Now that I cannot say at all, but I would hope it is the absolute Ulysses ending.
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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:47 am

in fallout 4 it in infers ncr won and te courierjoined the ncr

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:47 pm

I like to think that when my courier took out New Vegas and seized power for herself, she got drunk with power and referred to herself as "The Queen of New Vegas." But really, now that I think about it... I think that the ideal ending would be Mr. House kicking the NCR and Legion out of New Vegas. He actually seemed to have a plan for the future unlike the others. Too bad for him my courier was a power hungry bitch.  
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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:41 am

I think the best ending for NV is independent NV or Mr.House keep control over the City **** NCR and the Legion. ANARCHYYY !!!! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: What was the Canonical Ending to Fallout New Vegas?   Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:49 pm

Well Anarchy is not sustainable, The whole place would fall apart very quickly and everyone might as well be a raider. The Legion is pretty much the same, except everyone is enslaved.

I feel like the NCR ending is canon, mostly because that would set up a story for a NV sequel, NCR now controls a good chunk of the west and has gotten even more controlling since nobody is standing up to them anymore. All the tribes were mopped up by the legion, and the legion was mopped up by the NCR.

"New Vegas 2"(Working title) would be somewhat similar to Skyrim. Join the authority and repel the rebels. Join a legion splinter faction left over from the Hoover Dam incident, the BoS, your own personal faction, or some other new faction maybe.

It writes itself really.

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