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 Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:57 pm

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That post is a 1+ rep from me atleast, very well explained! could you post some sources if you have to your post? i would love to read it Smile
but still it should be in the movie, or atleast explained

I agree, it should be explained, and I think there will be much more of an explaination in the upcoming movies, however I do think disney wanted  to leave as much out in that 30 years to make way for the New EU

Here are the sources, most of which are wookieepedia. I believe a lot of this info comes from Battlefront and some of the new novels

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Republic

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chandrila

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Resistance

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_Prime

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mon_Mothma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Order_(Star_Wars)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Republic_(Star_Wars)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Jakku

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order%E2%80%93Resistance_conflict

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:08 am

I enjoyed the movie. While there were several things that ranged from very minor and nitpicky, to parts feeling that felt sloppy storytelling, the movie overall was a great successor to ROTJ.

The visuals overall were great with only one spot where a practical effect was not well executed and it was obvious the creature was an animatronic. I love the weapon designs in the movie including the various weapons stormtroopers carried. Also, JJ Abrahms made sure the big 1st Order speech wasnt populated by cut and paste troopers as they panned and showed stormtroopers in rows but individuals wearing and carrying different types of equipment.

My main issue was the whole R2D2 going into sleep mode and had the entire map chart with the exception of the last piece. The 1st Order however, had the entire map from the old Imperial Archives, minus the missing part BB-8 carried on the thumb-drive. For some reason, I felt it was weak on the story part and the reason why R2D2 was in sleep mode was to keep secret the big map the 1st Order already had until Kylo-Ren was defeated.

Other Random Thoughts (neither good or bad)
-Snope (I agree the dumbest name for any villian) reminds me more of Thanos than Palpatine.

-My wife thinks Maz looks similar to Edna from Incredibles.

-When Han gave Daisy a gun, I immediately thought of the R8 gun from CS.

-Paraphrased, couldn't remember the exact wording:
Han: "How were you able to get it?"
Maz: "That is a story for another time..."
(place is suddenly attacked)

-I enjoyed most of the humor (I think I only groaned/rolled my eyes on one joke) in the movie as they were more subtle and not forced like they were from the prequels or immaturely written.

@Havoc wrote:
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...but still it should be in the movie, or atleast explained

edit: never mind the links, wookipedia has been updated since i wast there last

I think they were trying to distance themselves from any similarities from the prequels which included political discussion.

In addition, having two separate military entities (Republic Fleet and The Rebellion force) is possible especially after the fall of a major ruler. To me, it's reminiscent of the  Kurdish Army and the Iraqi Military which operates autonomous from each other, but both still part of the Iraqi Government.
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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:28 am

@Havoc wrote:
I agree with several of your points, i enjoyed the movie itself, but it still bothers me why they don`t explain why we have both the republic and the resistance. It seems so wierd that all these important characters suddenly dont have anything to do with the republic.


found this picture on reddit...gives a pretty good explanation.

http://imgur.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/20b0Dxv


i also hope we can see some major battles between the republic and the first order...i know their star system was destroyed, but hopefully they werent stupid enough to place their entire fleet in one location...

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:17 am

thank you guys, now i have a much better view of the backround story! but we should not have to read important stuff like this outside the first movie, it should be explained. its like destiny`s grimore cards TongueTril

on another note, thid you guys see admiral ackbar? he sounds like a child, he had so much authority in episode 6 and look at him now...

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:50 am

@Havoc: they tried that. It was called the prequel sequel. People hated it. However, I do wish that what we just saw, the explanation, was in the flying words near the beginning. Would've solved it all in one fell swoop.

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:09 pm

@dazzerfong
yea i didnt mean to that extend, a simple conversation or adding it into the opening text would have been enough Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:14 am

TFA gave alot of nods to the original trilogy and the movie certainly did its job, I can't wait for the next one.

[SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT CONTINUE READING IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE]

Though it left me with more questions that if the next one didn't answer for I feel I would be disappointed.

First, how did Rey know to use a Jedi Mind Trick? At the start of the movie she asked Han about the Jedis and Luke as they were considered myths. Hearing myths about the force and knowing how to pull off a jedi mind trick are two very different things.

Second, Rey beat Kylo. Kylo had training from Luke yet was beaten by a amateur. Though many have stated that Kylo was in a bad place at the time and was badly hurt, but he didn't exhibit any control at all. It felt like children playing with sticks, though many have also stated that its due to the fact that there was no one to duel. That fight may very well be their first real lightsaber duel since everyone is dead and we have all been spoiled by The Old Republic/TFU with regards to lightsaber duels with force powers and jumps and twirling. Prior to this fight, Kylo had no adversary.

Thirdly, R2D2 just popping back to life.

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:57 am

Empire finally got the sequel it deserves, unfortunately they had to make Return of the Jedi and those awful prequels in between

This was the first Star Wars film since Empire to understand that more doesn't mean better. The prequels (and to a lesser extend Return of the Jedi) had too much lightsaber fighting, which took away from the impact of it.

Kylo Ren is the best villain since Vader in Empire. I am a little disappointed they aren't going with a quasi-Revan backstory to match his Revan looks. I agree with the above posters about them needing to expand him more in the future, and I want to see Finn's rematch in VIII.

I hope in VIII that Luke is more than tall Yoda, and they don't try to copy the format of Empire
I want to see Finn and Rey end up together

This is a personal thing that may help others like me. I have very sensitive ears, and with the exception of a few scenes, the movie is not too loud by design. Its sound is very balanced, and lightsabers feel right in terms of sound and look in a way that I'm not sure they could have done prior to this film
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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:36 am

I think a quasi-Revan backstory would fit, and for all we know maybe thats what Snoke is?

I mean where did he come from or are we suppose to just accept the fact that he was always around? Perhaps he is Plagueis? But he doesn't have that elongated head Muun unless they change the race of him as well seeing as he was only mentioned by name in the movies.

Perhaps Snoke found a Sith Holocron?

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:21 pm

It's not my favorite star wars movie but I greatly enjoyed it.
JJ Abrams has even proved that he is master in the art of special effects since the Star Trek movies.

So I loved many of things in this film : the multiple references to the original trilogy, the new characters are mostly rather convicing, the space battles are great and I appreciate the new design of the stormtrooper and specifically their humanization with the character of Finn.

But there is some drawbacks like some unexplained narrative elements : for exemple we didn't know where come Snoke, how he becomes the leader of the first order.
Then I regret there is no more lightsaber battle (only one in the film).
Finally I would like tout know how Mark Hamill has been paid to play 30 secondes Luke Skywalker with no dialogues.

I hope the following films continue to be good.

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:09 pm

i want to see a massive space battle between the new republic and the first order...similar to the one seen in the Revenge of the Sith(battle of coruscant). i also wished they had more variety of star fighters...what happened to the a-wings, b-wings etc?

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:57 pm

why is the story so similar to the original saga?
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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:12 am

plot holes aren't really that bad they said they will make movies between each episode to fill them in
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PostSubject: Star Wars The Force Awakens (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:22 am

Episode VII has so many plot holes that they plan to make movies for between each episode.
i personaly think it is a cool idea
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PostSubject: Star Wars The Force Awakens (SPOILERS)Yes Another Post   Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:27 am

As u can tell i really love star wars. but i noticed that episode VII has a very similar story to the original saga. Look they have something like a death star, Luke has to be found like yoda, I bet Luke will end up fighting kylo and die like Obi Wan Knobi
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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:34 am

I would be really bummed if Luke died fighting Kylo, less so if Luke died fight Snoke though. I mean unless Kylo's character and strength progresses alot between Episode 8-9 I don't see how Luke would lose to him.

TFA didn't really depict Kylo as all that powerful, he did lose to Rey.


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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:36 am

Really? I have mixed feelings about that. Feels like they are cashing in on it before it even is a success, I mean the EU expanded on the universe only after everything had come out. To do so now just feels like them cashing in on this IP.

Though if they do a good enough job sure why not, but they better not just create more plot holes and screw everything over before it starts.

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:39 am

I wouldnt mind the movies in between the films, to be completely honest, the film just seemed to me almost like a tribute, whole scenes just complete nods toward the Episode 4, and that's cool and all, but i'd like more information on the New Order, More Information on the state of the "Resistance" and so on. The plot holes are so gaping i'd love perhaps a clone wars'esk series or something to help explain .
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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:28 pm

If I could, I would change the order of certain things and how they where made.
Firstly the star killer base, instead of it being shown, used and destroy in 20 minutes I would rather have it being introduced at the end of the film along with Hex First Order Speech declaring war on the New Republic and the 'resistance'. That speech was awesome.

Secondly, Finn should have served more battles in the First Order before betraying an entire organisation he was born with after a single battle, shown the toll of it on him and/or show some good side to the First Order rather than the simple black and white good v evil storytelling. I would have loved to see the storm troopers perspectives.

Rey could have had further character development and discovery of the force (rather then she having instant force abilities).

I would have also loved some perspective on the New Republic, get acquainted with this faction, before they get attacked

It shouldn't have been a map to find Luke, if anything it should have been Luke who finds Rey (given she is a strong force sensitive). Luke also appear to be the Yoda (teacher) character in this trilogy

What is up with Snorke being a fucking giant? Are they literally turning this into a David and Goliath battle between Rey and Snorke

Han Solo, why do they always have to kill an awesome character in the first episode of each fucking trilogy. I can understand killing him, but don't make it so obvious, face it we saw it coming on the balcony scene.

Kylo Ren, from the comics I could guess that he was Han Solo kid, however they poorly gave this information to the audience, Snorke said "...with your father, Han Solo..." and brushed it off like it was nothing. They could have built it up a bit before saying it at least
Overall it was a good film but it wasn't great, and they had also seen to practically copied parts the original trilogy in terms of story (you can see some of the similarities)

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PostSubject: Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion [SPOILERS]   Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:00 pm

See, and I agree with you, and that would have made for an interesting and captivating story line, a nice flwshed out one. But storys like that with multidimensional characters are usually found in the EU, I find Vanilla SW even the new canon, to be basically black and white, good vs evil. Primarily because star wars was envisioned as some sort of grand space opera. Alot of those suggestions would have been dope, there are however massive plot holes and just general foolishness in ep7, like with finn. Dont they have rigorous training programs? Where i.e. would have been in simulated battles, physical conditioning and mental conditioning aswell as brain washing, how much of a dud does that program look like if this guy basically runs off, first battle without even have fired a shot like some scared boy. Why not explore the line a little jj. Why keep it black and white. But thats just my opinion.
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