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Most armor and weapon designs are more then doubtfull. Equipment and gear are not good enough even for loot hunting.

I agree @danbrother, the weapons as much as i love the idea of weapon mods i think it is really dull, i would rarther have maybe around 100 or 150 weapons with like 3 weapon mods for each or something like that and not have the same Pipe rifle with a different piece of wood stuck on it, the armors are also boring the only good looking ones are the cage armor and most possibly the heavy raider armor pieces otherwise it all looks dull.

@VeteranAlpha96 :-) Agree with you. Weapons and armors redone is the main thing I'm waiting from mods. At least F4 will be a fine shooter ;-)))

Speaking about Obsidian - how about making a petition to ask for Bethesda permit Obsidian make a new Fallout game on this engine and ask Obsidian to really make it?

Haven't seen this idea on the web, but it's not hard to plumb.

What do you say, fellow GUNers?

danbrother wrote:

@VeteranAlpha96 :-) Agree with you. Weapons and armors redone is the main thing I'm waiting from mods. At least F4 will be a fine shooter ;-)))

Speaking about Obsidian - how about making a petition to ask for Bethesda permit Obsidian make a new Fallout game on this engine and ask Obsidian to really make it?

Haven't seen this idea on the web, but it's not hard to plumb.

What do you say, fellow GUNers?

I like this idea, this could work and i would be in heaven, people did this will MGS 5 where they wanted to bring back Quiet and it worked from what i heard, this could work aswell if people do it right.

VeteranAlpha96 wrote:

danbrother wrote:

@VeteranAlpha96 :-) Agree with you. Weapons and armors redone is the main thing I'm waiting from mods. At least F4 will be a fine shooter ;-)))

Speaking about Obsidian - how about making a petition to ask for Bethesda permit Obsidian make a new Fallout game on this engine and ask Obsidian to really make it?

Haven't seen this idea on the web, but it's not hard to plumb.

What do you say, fellow GUNers?

I like this idea, this could work and i would be in heaven, people did this will MGS 5 where they wanted to bring back Quiet and it worked from what i heard, this could work aswell if people do it right.

I'll make a topic here on GUNetwork. Let's see what our fellows will say ;-) And maybe we'll make it real someday :-))

@danbrother Obviously I'm all for that idea. Obisidian had content, choices and a lot of role playing in their FoNV. Also, if Bethesda lets Obsidian do another Fallout game it will be out in less than 2 years

Well as somebody Who enjoys the game. I can't stand with your point but sorry when I hear somebody saying "oversimplified" in same sentance as "Fallout 4" It makes me cry laughing .
I and specially when somebody compers Fallout 4 to Skyrim. They are bassicly both as simple in story and gameplay. And I think that making it FPS-y don't makes the game worse. it makes the game WORK. Old Gunplay was most horrible thing you can experience really. But stil I have my pains... Dialog System, Skyrim based quests (talking about delivery-killer boy ones) For now everything wrong can be patched or modded So none of my problem here.

The issue is, I fell in love with new vegas because it was a game that casual games would pick up and drop befpre beating it. It was deep, challenging, and immersive. Fallout 4 just feels like a cod release. Very little attention to detail, very high capacity to sell units. I just feel like bethesda didnt put the love into this installation of fallout like they have the others.

Archi wrote:

Well as somebody Who enjoys the game. I can't stand with your point but sorry when I hear somebody saying "oversimplified" in same sentance as "Fallout 4" It makes me cry laughing .
I and specially when somebody compers Fallout 4 to Skyrim. They are bassicly both as simple in story and gameplay. And I think that making it FPS-y don't makes the game worse. it makes the game WORK. Old Gunplay was most horrible thing you can experience really. But stil I have my pains... Dialog System, Skyrim based quests (talking about delivery-killer boy ones) For now everything wrong can be patched or modded So none of my problem here.

Yes, Skyrim was simple, but I thought it was, y'know, actually fun. And I wasn't comparing it to Skyrim. And I'm sorry but Fallout 4 is simplified, and very much so. Improved gunplay and (in my opinion) boring everything else does not make a good game to me. And story? I thought Skyrim's story was okay. FO4's story was the most uninteresting thing I've ever seen. You're locked into a person with no wiggle room for roleplay. Let's take the baby of this random person! (Unless the reason was because Shaun is "untouched by the wasteland" or whatever, which isn't new because FO3 already did that with putting the FEV into Project Purity or whatever) Said person adapts to the wasteland almost immediately! Oh no, the institute! The "anyone could be one of THEM" cliche! Skyrim had the "you're the chosen one" cliche, but at least could be modded out. You're stuck with FO4's story unless there was to be a mod that mods the entire main quest out of the game. So please, if you're trying to debunk my opinion, don't.

i didnt like fallout 4 story is was unintreseting but i am excited if obsidian is making another fallout

As of this moment I have 262 hours invested into Fallout 4. I'd say roughly 9 hours were dedicated to building-up settlements with the remainder doing quests/general exploring. At the rate I'm going I will probably hit close to, or above, 400 hours before creating another character.



I am happy with Fallout 4 for the following reasons:

1. Intelligent AI. The way they use cover is greatly improved over Fallout 3/Fallout: New Vegas. It is actually a challenge to eliminate the enemy when they are taking advantage of building walls, or other obstacles, to reload. Another is the way the AI use various grenades. With as many grenades that have been thrown at me if I'm not on my toes (slang for paying attention) my character gets his ass handed to him. Or, her when I start my next character as soon as my current character finishes finding everything in this playthrough.

2. Settlements. Building settlements is enjoyable. There is nothing more enjoyable than seeing a settlement rise from a simple startup to a thriving community. Having the ability to interconnect settlements through trade routes greatly improves the dispersion of resources especially since, for me, most of the resources are located in Sanctuary.

3. Weapon Mods. I do like the new weapon crafting system. It took a bit to get used to but as time went on I became more and more infatuated with seeing what combinations worked in certain situations and what didn't. The variety makes for a much more enjoyable experience as I can equip what weapons I will use during any given situation.

4. 64 Bit. This is one of the features I've been hoping would be implemented into Fallout 4 and my wish came true. The RAM/VRAM management is just short of superb. There are a few idiosyncrasies which need to be worked-out yet so far I haven't had any crashes and the game is making good use of RAM and VRAM.

Here is what I feel that needs improvement in Fallout 4 (only listing the major offenders as I'm on the fence, per se, regarding other *possible* issues:

1. Companion Movement. There is no reason whatsoever for a companion to move in front of me while I'm firing at an enemy. None at all. The biggest offenders have been Dogmeat, Codsworth and Curie. The majority of the time they have gotten my character killed because of their stupidity. I really hope Bethesda fixes this by keeping the companions to the right or left. I'm hesitant to say rear because if they fire while behind my character I could be injured or even killed so I'm currently up in-the-air about that aspect.

2. Companion Wheel. Two of the features I miss are:

2a. The ability to adjust the distance the companion stays away from me. If we (companion and I) are going to be exploring the great, wide Commonworth then I don't want them up on my ass all the time.

2b. The second is being able to adjust their aggressiveness. I do not want to see a companion engaging a group of Super Mutants or Forged until I engage them.

3. Companion/NPC Pathing. Why did [insert companion name] fall-off a building? Why did [insert companion name] say that they could not get to a spot I commanded them to go to when there are no obstructions prevented them from doing so? Why is it my character can jump down three feet but the companion takes the long way around? Why is it a companion or NPC pushes me out of the way when they need to go around? I hope Bethesda fixes these companion issues soon or otherwise I will be travelling either without a companion at all or excluding the three worst offenders.

4. Object Removal. When a hedge blocks me from placing an object within the boundaries then that is when I have an issue with. I'd prefer to be able to remove the bush than to place objects which intersect with said bush and be denied placing object due to intersection with an object which cannot be removed.

Julum wrote:

Archi wrote:

Well as somebody Who enjoys the game. I can't stand with your point but sorry when I hear somebody saying "oversimplified" in same sentance as "Fallout 4" It makes me cry laughing .
I and specially when somebody compers Fallout 4 to Skyrim. They are bassicly both as simple in story and gameplay. And I think that making it FPS-y don't makes the game worse. it makes the game WORK. Old Gunplay was most horrible thing you can experience really. But stil I have my pains... Dialog System, Skyrim based quests (talking about delivery-killer boy ones) For now everything wrong can be patched or modded So none of my problem here.

Yes, Skyrim was simple, but I thought it was, y'know, actually fun. And I wasn't comparing it to Skyrim. And I'm sorry but Fallout 4 is simplified, and very much so. Improved gunplay and (in my opinion) boring everything else does not make a good game too me. And story? I thought Skyrim's story was okay. FO4's story was the most uninteresting thing I've ever seen. You're locked into a person with no wiggle room for roleplay. Let's take the baby of this random person! (Unless the reason was because Shaun is "untouched by the wasteland" or whatever, which isn't new because FO3 already did that with putting the FEV into Project Purity or whatever) Said person adapts to the wasteland almost immediately! Oh no, the institute! The "anyone could be one of THEM" cliche! Skyrim had the "you're the chosen one" cliche, but at least could be modded out. You're stuck with FO4's story unless there was to be a mod that mods the entire main quest out of the game. So please, if you're trying to debunk my opinion, don't.

Well he didn't play the game at all so Archi has nothing to talk about.
But taking about your point, i agree with you, the story is dull and boring.

I really really enjoyed it my first playthrough. Mostly I think because I was a concerned mother. The dialogue choices fit with my character. However once I tried to play a mercenary unsavory type character I felt limited. Especially since the dialogue doesn't even adapt. If I was mean or nice the response was the same 90% of the time. There was no consequence and the world didn't feel as alive. Once I became aware that I only had the illusion of choice, the game fell to a new low for me.

Honestly the first 30 hours of my first playthrough was a dissapointment. But after making about 10 characters, I decided to look up a raider build and have been playing like that so far. I have to admit the RPG elements seem to have been washed down comparted to fallout new vegas. But after just using melee i have been enjoying the game. I know mods will only make the game more enjoyable so until the GECK comes out you may not have fun in it until then.

@Boodaliboo yes i hope obsidian makes another fallout game, fallout new vegas in my opinion was a whole lot better than fallout 3 by a mile.

Yeah, its a major disappointment. Obsidian is just so much better than Bethesda in every way.

Honestly, i find that Bethesda didn't put a lot of effort in this game.
The story line is horrible and it lacks the rpg elements.
I also dislike the new dialogue system as they removed the requirement like [speech 100].

I'm extremely disappointed in the weapon variety. From a bethesda standpoint, they did okay. But coming from new vegas which had 150+ weapons I think, is just pathetic.

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4-is-not-the-fallout-fans-fell-in-love-with-1745651992

“Fallout 4 is a good game, it just isn’t a good Fallout game.” - best review for F4. Sadly...

Fallout 4 is alright but I still prefer New Vegas because in fallout 4 there is no hardcore mode and companions are essential making dogmeat completely overpowered.

I really hope Elder Scrolls VI will be an improvement. I swear to god if I see a dialogue wheel, I will flip.

jackspacko wrote:

I really hope Elder Scrolls VI will be an improvement. I swear to god if I see a dialogue wheel, I will flip.

Yes, I'm worried TESVI will be a steaming pile after seeing FO4. Bethesda is getting worse over time in my opinion. (Though Skyrim was an exception as I prefer it over Oblivion)

I'd say it'd be even worse for an Elder Scrolls game than a Fallout game if they again forced you into this one character like FO4 with it's abysmal dialogue.