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PostSubject: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:28 pm

In Fallout 4 we know that many npcs are very suspicious of Synths (or anyone who looks like one). Do you think it's justified or do ca Synths be good?


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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:55 pm

Justified? Well. It is. You have to keep in mind that people aren't just afraid of synths because they're different(Although that is apart of it). They're afraid because most of the times a synth replaces them. Sure there are some synths out there that just want to lead a normal life, but it's hard to tell. I think if more synths looked like Nick Valentine then people would probably ease up a bit since they would at least be able to tell who is and who isn't a synth. But since the more modern synths look like them and are known to capture and replace them. It creates the paranoia and leads to them not trusting the synth kind.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:05 pm

If a synth is never told it is a synth, how can it tell it is a synth? If it doesn't know its a synth and nobody else knows it is a synth then, let it lead a normal life. The institute is the evil that makes them do slavery work pretty much. Makes them stay "machines" even though they are producing personalities, feelings, and dreams. They became so sophisticated that they are now people even though they were never born an actual human being. Synths can be brought to the point of doing good but, just like any human can be a synth that turns evil so to speak.



Oxhorn really changed my mindset on this, you should check the video and it breaks it down a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:43 pm

It is entirely justified. Synths usually end up replacing someone that the Institute had killed. It's not justified to blame all synths unless they willingly go along with it like the Diamond City Mayor. Most don't want to replace living people, but you can't really fault them for being forced to when they literally have no control in the matter. The prejudice is still justified though as most synths encountered by anyone end up being sent to replace loved ones after they've been kidnapped and killed.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:50 am

Synths have the potential to be good, of course. But you need to counterbalance this with the fact that all Synths are in some way or another, created to be used for a specific purpose. A synth can, at any moment, snap and attack those around them. Synths can be freed from the institute, but as we see in Fallout 3 and 4, they all have an access code that reverts them back to the Institute's control.

It's a moral dilemma, and one that stems from a far more important question, which is "is the creation of machines capable of free will justified?" because I think that's far crueller. I mean, creating simple robots designed only to serve is the same as creating anything to provide a service, but machines capable of free will, who are never meant to, or openly allowed to achieve it? That's pretty messed up, and it gets left out of a lot of the horrible stuff the institute has done. They created synths, knowing this, likely to make them versatile and capable of easily hiding among humans, but that still doesn't make it right.

It seems unfair to wipe out all Synths, but how does anyone trust them? Ever? The synths have done far too much harm to the people of the Wasteland for them to simply overlook that, and even with the possibility of the institute gone, as the Mayor shows, what's to stop the Synth from going rogue, out of panic or remaining Institute personnel from using the remaining Synths for their own advantage?

It's totally understandable that common people would fear them, and not want to be around them.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:09 am

It's all really depending on your view towards synths. The brotherhood views the creation of synths as crawling into the dangerous territory of playing god, along with dabbling in transhumanism. As a result of this, they believe that this is the type of behavior that got the great war to start. Others view synths just simply as a threat based on incidents with malfunctioning synths, or the fact they can easily infiltrate communities or replace people.

And only The Institute is to blame. They treat the wasteland as one big Guinea Pig pen with no regard or sense of empathy for the people of the Commonwealth.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:12 am

To answer this question you must first ask yourself whether or not synths are sentient or not, if they can control themselves, make their own choices, feel emotions like a human can and form subjective experiences. Synths act as if they are humans, appear to feel, think and form thoughts of the world around them, but what they lack is their own free will. They are controlled by the Institute and depending or not what you think they are, whether they may be enslaved living beings or mindless robots acting completely off of programming, it's pretty justified why everybody in the Commonwealth fears them like the plague.

You see, it's not that they are robots that is terrifying. It's the fact that potentially anybody that Commonwealth residents let into settlements, cities and societies can potentially be synths and kill numerous people. If the synths were similar to Gen 1 or 2 synths, people would think of them no more than dumb machines that would be spotted in an instant by a watchman or a guard. The fact that Gen 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans is scary to people in Diamond City and Goodneighbour. Hell, Diamond City's own mayor is a synth and has been for years, Magnolia from Goodneighbour is a synth and nobody bats an eye. It's the paranoia that gets to people the most.

Not to mention that not only do these people have to watch their backs at all times for synths but the Institute replaces people with synths. Your brother, sister, cousin, uncle, whatever can now be replaced by a synth without anybody knowing. You can get replaced by the Institute too and not know you are a synth either, which makes the paranoia and prejudice extremely justified.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:27 am

If two synths really love each other...I mean REALLY REALLY love each other...can that love result in a baby synth?

If an incoherent-ignorant synth and a clueless human REALLY REALLY love each other...can that love make a cyborg?

Just something I'm curious about...as to your question...is it really prejudice to not like android and prefer apple? I mean does the note8 have rights to protection against prejudice? when iPhoneX is released will iPhone8 become the 2nd class citizen/ red-headed step child? Does the offspring of nokia feel the pain of the genocide of their elders?

Point is...if the genesis of a synth was birthed with parts from radioshack...then this is a discussion of robotic EVolution and not simply a REVolution of artificial intelligence. I mean seriously, I don't care WHAT kind of thoughts or feelings or dreams the tin can has...it all started with code on a keyboard. Not saying synths can't coexist in society...but just because it "walks like a duck" and "talks like a duck" doesn't make it a duck...

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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:41 pm

@Corvo wrote:
To answer this question you must first ask yourself whether or not synths are sentient or not, if they can control themselves, make their own choices, feel emotions like a human can and form subjective experiences. Synths act as if they are humans, appear to feel, think and form thoughts of the world around them, but what they lack is their own free will. They are controlled by the Institute and depending or not what you think they are, whether they may be enslaved living beings or mindless robots acting completely off of programming, it's pretty justified why everybody in the Commonwealth fears them like the plague.

You see, it's not that they are robots that is terrifying. It's the fact that potentially anybody that Commonwealth residents let into settlements, cities and societies can potentially be synths and kill numerous people. If the synths were similar to Gen 1 or 2 synths, people would think of them no more than dumb machines that would be spotted in an instant by a watchman or a guard. The fact that Gen 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans is scary to people in Diamond City and Goodneighbour. Hell, Diamond City's own mayor is a synth and has been for years, Magnolia from Goodneighbour is a synth and nobody bats an eye. It's the paranoia that gets to people the most.

Not to mention that not only do these people have to watch their backs at all times for synths but the Institute replaces people with synths. Your brother, sister, cousin, uncle, whatever can now be replaced by a synth without anybody knowing. You can get replaced by the Institute too and not know you are a synth either, which makes the paranoia and prejudice extremely justified.

How do you find out she is a synth? I`ve only spoken to her for like two quests and she is never mentioned. Is she part of something I`ve missed?
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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:31 pm

@Banewrath When she dies, she drops a synth component. Afaik there's no quests actually mentioning this fact, but she is a synth.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Synth Prejudiced Justified?   Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:53 am

I always thought she was holding the component as a keepsake from a synth that ceased operation and she kept it in remembrance because she loved that synth. It's what brought her to the cause...because in her mind she believed that synth loved her back...when really it was just programmed to reciprocate affection...and be a good listener...listening is how they learn...just like terminators

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